Human Nature, A Paradox.

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You can argue that the AMORAL folks are the result of somewhat unnatural, to our species, circumstances.

So, here, by unnatural, you mean atypical. And I will agree that I am the result of atypical circumstances. But not drastically. I was once a christian and would still believe in all that hooey with morals along with it if I had not slowly but surely realized it was baloney.

Let's look in our own society (I guess these would be sub-clumps). There is one clump that believes that our Country should be based on religious believe. They feel homosexuality is immoral. There is another clump that as their view of "freedom" and "rights".

So how do we work out these beliefs? Is there a coming together with singing and hugs? No.

Each side yells at the other "fanatic!" or "godless!". One side wants to eliminate "secularism", the other side wants to eliminate "fundamentalism". Even within our ordered, the basic process is to discredit, defeat and eliminate the other belief system.

Look at the terror war.

The West believes that they are moral and that the actions of Al Qaeda are amoral. Guess what, the followers of Al Qaeda believe that they are on the side of morality fighting against the evil West. If you think about it you will realize that "they" have as strong a belief that "they" are right and that their enemy is evil as "we" do.

Do you think this will become one clump? No. Eventually one of these clumps will defeat (and hopefully assimilate) the other. But the loser will without doubt need to give up much of their system of beliefs to submit to the winner.

It is possible for people to be misguided in their thinking of what is right. If you look at the leaders of these terror movements, do you actually think that all they're after is what they think is "right"?

I think that they want power, and perhaps does so out of narcisstic, nationalistic or religious pride more than anything else.

They brainwashed people to follow them as much as Hitler tricked the Germans into believing that Jews are the source of their problems. Like my History teacher once said, many times in history, the truly evil people hides behind the misguided majority. They command and control, but often do not do the dirty works himself/herself.

Do I know whether the West is right in being in the Middle East? No, I don't know, because I do not have all the facts needed to make such a judgment. What I know, however, is that these terrorists in killing innocent people have done something wrong.

Yes, I do.

Really!

That is very interesting.

I think you are wrong.

Sounds like your history teacher thought in very simplistic terms...much as you seem to be doing.

Not in their opinion.

And you seem to be putting an awful lot of weight on your opinion.

You are actually asserting that you KNOW they have done something wrong. MY GUESS: You don't know that at all.

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Yes, I do.

This is as valid as what I just said.

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Really!

That is very interesting.

I think you are wrong.

It's good that you have an opinion, but so do I.

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Sounds like your history teacher thought in very simplistic terms...much as you seem to be doing.

Oh no, he was talking about dictatorships, which seems to be mostly the case in history. I was the one that applied it to the terrorists, let's not drag my teacher here.

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Not in their opinion.

And you seem to be putting an awful lot of weight on your opinion.

You are actually asserting that you KNOW they have done something wrong. MY GUESS: You don't know that at all.

Of course I was stating an opinion and not a fact. If I wanted to put in fact, I'd put in numbers, and historical events. I didn't think I need to state that I was merely stating a hypothesis.

But you were going on about what motivates the terrorists...and I am of the opinion that you are wrong.

You wrote: " What I know, however, is that these terrorists in killing innocent people have done something wrong."

You wrote: "Like my History teacher once said, many times in history, the truly evil people hides behind the misguided majority. They command and control, but often do not do the dirty works himself/herself."

If that is an accurate recitation of what your history teacher once said...then it is my opinion that your history teacher was thinking in very simplistic terms.

I can only consider what you wrote...and you did write that.

In any case, I did not "drag your history teacher here"...you did.

In order to make one clump from muliple clumps, one clump must defeat another-- either swallow it, or eliminate it. This is almost always what has happened in history. (Look at the history of your country and mine which would be quite different now had this not happened in each case).