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Saturday Worship vs. Sunday...

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2017 12:44 am
@Christian0912,
You said it first.
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peacecrusader888
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2017 01:54 am
@Christian0912,
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It is purely impossible to show what day of the week is the first, second etc. I can tell you, from the Bible why Sunday is NOT the Sabbath. Satan has tried to deceive people for thousands of years. Wouldn't it make sense that he would trick them into worshipping on a day that was named after Sun Worship (created by Nimrod)? The reason that I cannot show what day is the seventh, or the fifth or whatever it may be, is because the names for these days haven't always been around. There hasn't always been weeks, months, years etc. Humans created these around the solar cycles. That is why the Bible doesn't mention the literal words of ANY day of the week.

In Exodus 20:10, it states, "But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God:" Where is Saturday here? And in Exodus 20:11, it states, "For in six days the LORD made Heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it." When is the seventh day?
Christian0912
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2017 06:13 pm
@peacecrusader888,
Saturday. I replied to someone else a few posts ago and explained how Sunday worship came in. If you also look at the etymology (origin & history of a word) of Saturday, then you can see that Saturday is the seventh day.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=saturday
And this link shows that Sunday is the first day.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=sunday
TomTomBinks
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2017 06:20 pm
@Christian0912,
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Mate, obviously you have NO idea what you're talking about. Are you saying that if you pray on any day, other than Sunday, your prayers can be intercepted by demons? Oh wow... Have you ever heard of Daniel? You know, the guy that prayed 3 times a day, EVERY DAY? Oh, and should I forget to mention that he's the one that was thrown into the lion's den for doing so, and PRAYED to God to protect him. And God protected him. So yeah. That argument is really not working.


So maybe I have it wrong or maybe I don't, but how do we figure it out? We can only use what's written in the Bible and logic. If God commanded worship on a particular day; and if God demands that only He be worshipped; and if He is a jealous God. We can come to the conclusion that worship on any other day is something He doesn't want. Why? The only possible reason is that that worship will go to one of the rival gods.
Maybe Izzy is right and Daniel's prayers were answered by a demon or an ambitious angel.
cameronleon
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2017 08:27 pm
@peacecrusader888,
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When is the seventh day?


When you read the bible, if you read it, you will find the part of the Mabul (the deluge)

In this part, Noah got into an ark and with his family and lots of pets, stayed over there for months.

When the rain was over, and Noah was tired of smelling the lion's poo poo, Noah sent a bird to check if the waters receded already so they can get out and live on ground.

No luck the first time.

Then, Noah waited SEVEN DAYS and sent the bird outside again.

And he repeated the same sending of the bird every SEVEN DAYS until a bird returned back with a small branch of a plant.

Noah inherited the counting of days which started with Adam.

Adam learned the counting of days from God.

After Noah, his children also continued with the same counting of SEVEN DAYS after SEVEN DAYS.

When the children of the children of the sons of Noah populated the planet, they started to put names to everything, including to each one of the days. At the beginning the days were just "the first, the second, the third, and so forth"

The new generations replaced the numerical naming of days by the names of planets.

Still, the day seventh was also the day of rest for the ones who kept the doctrine given by God to Adam and transmitted to Noah, Abraham, etc...
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cameronleon
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2017 08:37 pm
@TomTomBinks,
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If God commanded worship on a particular day; and if God demands that only He be worshipped; and if He is a jealous God. We can come to the conclusion that worship on any other day is something He doesn't want. Why? The only possible reason is that that worship will go to one of the rival gods.
Maybe Izzy is right and Daniel's prayers were answered by a demon or an ambitious angel.


I think that you have misunderstood the reading of the bible.

The seventh day is a day of rest.

Now well, in this day, also is added that will be for the purpose of worship.

Notice that God never prohibited to worship him in another day of the week, but to dedicate the day of rest to worship Him.

If you can and if you want, you can worship God any day of the week.

If you can and if you want, you can rest the entire week.

However, the day of rest must be honored and worship God on that day is a mandate, a commandment.



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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 27 Sep, 2017 12:24 am
@TomTomBinks,
I don't want to take credit for Chritian911's musings. He's the one who said demons saved Daniel not me.
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peacecrusader888
 
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Reply Wed 27 Sep, 2017 02:07 am
The Seventh Day Adventists, like the Catholic Church and other Christian churches, believe that Jesus Christ was crucified on Friday and resurrected on Sunday. That is equivalent to 1-1/2 days only, two nights and one day. But Jesus said in Matthew 12:40, "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Please explain the discrepancy.
peacecrusader888
 
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Reply Wed 27 Sep, 2017 02:14 am
@Christian0912,
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Saturday. I replied to someone else a few posts ago and explained how Sunday worship came in. If you also look at the etymology (origin & history of a word) of Saturday, then you can see that Saturday is the seventh day.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=saturday
And this link shows that Sunday is the first day.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=sunday

Please explain John 20:1, 19.

John 20:1 - "The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulcher, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulcher."
John 20:19 - "Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be with you."
Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 27 Sep, 2017 01:37 pm
@Christian0912,
As I've read, Sunday is the day when Christians celebrate the Resurrection, with their mass, etc., and as a day of rest. Saturday is the Sabbath when Jews celebrate the Sabbath beyond religious services, and as a day of rest. Seventh Day Adventists celebrate their Christian church services on Saturday, since it is the Sabbath.

And, in Spanish, from its earliest origins, the word "sabado" means both sabbath and Saturday.

Why the difference for most Christians? I will guess it might have something to do with the early church wanting to divest itself of its Jewish roots for purposes too involved to deal with here.
fresco
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2017 12:05 am
@Foofie,
Not too 'involved' at all ! As I understand it, the Romans replaced worship of Apollo the Sun god, hence Sunday, with Christianity. No surprise, since a major function of religion is a socio-political one.
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fresco
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2017 12:46 am
@Foofie,
BTW You surely know that 'Christmas' was (re)assigned to the approximate date of the winter solstice ('rebirth of the Sun') for the same reason. Many religions have similar primitive solstice connections (Hannukah, Devali etc). This is one reason to take the concept of any 'Holy Book' with a pinch of salt, the King James Bible being no exception, as the politics behind the production of that was intense.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2017 12:53 am
@fresco,
Sol Invictus was the Roman god born on 25th December, an early attempt at a state religion.

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Sol Invictus ("Unconquered Sun") was the official sun god of the later Roman Empire and a patron of soldiers. In 274 AD the Roman emperor Aurelian made it an official cult alongside the traditional Roman cults. Scholars disagree about whether the new deity was a refoundation of the ancient Latin cult of Sol, a revival of the cult of Elagabalus, or completely new. The god was favored by emperors after Aurelian and appeared on their coins until Constantine I. The last inscription referring to Sol Invictus dates to AD 387, and there were enough devotees in the 5th century that the Christian theologian Augustine found it necessary to preach against them.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus
fresco
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2017 01:00 am
@izzythepush,
Thanks...also....

Invictus ("Unconquered, Invincible") was an epithet for several Roman deities, including Jupiter, Mars, Hercules, Apollo, and Silvanus.

Apollo's chief epithet was Phoebus (/ˈfiːbəs/ FEE-bəs; Φοῖβος, Phoibos [pʰó͜i.bos]), literally "bright".[24] It was very commonly used by both the Greeks and Romans for Apollo's role as the god of light.

Jesus is alleged to have said 'I am the Light of the World' (John 8:12)
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2017 01:09 am
@fresco,
At least someone follows my links.
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peacecrusader888
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2017 01:13 pm
I am already 70 years old, nearer the grave than the cradle. I do not recruit anyone. I am happy to share what I heard and learned from the spirit of Ama. I am afraid that everything may be lost when I exist this world that is why I am sharing what I discovered.
Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2017 01:36 pm
@fresco,
fresco wrote:

BTW You surely know that 'Christmas' was (re)assigned to the approximate date of the winter solstice ('rebirth of the Sun') for the same reason. Many religions have similar primitive solstice connections (Hannukah, Devali etc). This is one reason to take the concept of any 'Holy Book' with a pinch of salt, the King James Bible being no exception, as the politics behind the production of that was intense.


I only read that Christmas, with its Christian meaning, replaced the pagan mid-winter feast, Saturnalia, so the converted pagans would not be upset with not having their mid-winter feast. And Easter, with its Christian meaning, was originally the fertility goddess; hence the highly fertile Easter bunnies.

It seems to me that the early Church, were very good at marketing their replacement for paganism. Christianity was "marketed" to the Germanic tribes that expanded from their original regions. I've read that the intent was to make them all Christian so they would stop killing each other in wars. That seemed to have worked well?
peacecrusader888
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2017 07:23 pm
@peacecrusader888,
@Christian0912

I am waiting for your reply.
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peacecrusader888
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2017 07:27 pm
@peacecrusader888,
'exit' not 'exist'.
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peacecrusader888
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2017 07:32 pm
@Foofie,
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I only read that Christmas, with its Christian meaning, replaced the pagan mid-winter feast, Saturnalia, so the converted pagans would not be upset with not having their mid-winter feast. And Easter, with its Christian meaning, was originally the fertility goddess; hence the highly fertile Easter bunnies.

It seems to me that the early Church, were very good at marketing their replacement for paganism. Christianity was "marketed" to the Germanic tribes that expanded from their original regions. I've read that the intent was to make them all Christian so they would stop killing each other in wars. That seemed to have worked well?


When was Jesus born?
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