Reality: "Is real really real"

Yes ?

I don't think so...I believe that our reality as humans is only a portion of the whole scheme of reality. The more you grow, the more you grow into reality(and not meaning growing physically, but mentally and spiritually). The bigger you are the more you can observe of reality.

I used to think long and hard about reality, but then I figured, "who cares, i'm living my life the eay I want to and that's all that really matters". It is an interesting topic though, and it probably always will be!

This whole question comes down to the definition of "real". This is a question about language, not about reality.

And what is language Einherjar if not the description of the world we live in? God is also just a word. What you put in it is what matters.

Real- whatever floats your boat.
This is true because no matter what you say I can always say BUT...

Cyracuz

To me, reality is the interaction between us and all external stimulations we are able to perceive and configurate. We perceive things in three space dimensions and in time. We perceive things as multiple and related in causal relations. That is the way we deal with external stimulations, and we cannot reach any reality external and independent. We have our own reality, the reality of human beings.

I could agree with you val if you went so far as to say the reality of the individual. (or if that's what you mean)

Cyracuz

Do you mean the individual person?
If that is the case, I was talking of reality according to our specie. We are not different in the way we react and configure the external stimulus. Our nervous system, our brain, are identical.

So you mean that the reality of a human being is different from that of a horse for instance? And further that the reality of animals within the species is identical to all individuals? Maybe. But even within a species there are differences. A leader of a society has another reality than a follower.

Another participant here at A2K has gone to some lengths to explain to me the difference between reality and the perception of it. I think it applies here. Unfortunately the perception of reality is all we really have to define what is real.

The reality of a horse is no different than the reality of a man. We all live in the same place. It's just that their perception of reality is different.

And still reality is relative. And I don't mean the perception of it, although it's relative too.

Ray

You said that "the reality of a horse is no different than the reality of a man".
From the point of view of man's reality it is true.
But, do you know the point of view of the horse?

And "we all live in the same place". What place is that? The place your nervous system, your brain, your language have created? Then you must believe that men are some kind of Gods.
To me, we are not gods. We are evolutive entities that developped some skills. We are in a certain way, and not in another way.
We can only perceive things in three space dimensions. Would you say that reality - not only our reality - has three space dimensions? If yes, how do you know it?

if you mean reality is a standard thing almost, unchanging in a way but the way we look up on the world is what changes then i can accept that (assuming that is what you meant)
but we can never really debate about this because perception is an individual concept for example:-
Person A: - may think that a cancerous tumour is "evil" as it kills the person that has it
where as
Person B: - may think that a cancerous tumour is not evil it is just doing what is has set out to do and in fact we are evil by "treating it" ie killing it

but at the end of the day it is a cancerous tumour and the no matter how we look at it or feel about it, it will always be that until it ceases to exist
and we can never completely know someones perception of something because we cant see it through their eyes or hear through their ears etc etc ....

whoo gald i got that off my chest