Who's logically wrong? The member or the rule maker?

The rule says 'from 1 pm on' and has no stated retrospective provision as you have described it.Therefore no ensuing credits can be claimed prior to that time and date.

I am assuming that the organization's Board made the rules. It would interpret the rules. Hopefully the rules are in writing.

If I were on the board, I would follow the time guidelines as outlined in the rules (as you have stated.) The actions must be performed from the start time stated.

HOWEVER, the Board could vote to include this person's action, since they were close to the inclusion time of the first day. It does seem odd that the event began at 1 p.m.

the member is incorrect

the rule is not logically at fault

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the rule is clear

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better luck next time

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The logic you provided is correct and that's what came to my mind at the first place when I dealt with this question. But later on I found the logic of the member as described above also make sense, which makes me get stuck...

Could you elaborate on it? Now I can't find any logical error from the 3 steps argument I described above and that's what I'm getting stuck with right now.

The members argument does not make sense.

The rule states from 1pm onwards.

Case closed.

I'm still quite confused, so let us discuss it another way. Apart from changing the commencement time from 1 PM to midnight, how could the rule be modified slightly to make the claim of the member logically correct?

Change the starting time. Make it earlier than the time the member did Y. The way it is written, the member is simply wrong. Changing it from 1p.m. to midnight won't help him a bit.

Is it that you don't understand the difference between AM and PM?

The contest was announced at noon that it would begin at 1 PM - not AM of the first day.

Any action done before 1 p.m. is not included in the contest.

BTW - What time does the contest END?

There isn't anything to discuss. Why do you want to modify the rule in order to make this person eligible, when it is what it is?

You're beating a dead horse.

The person in question performed some act in the time before the contest commenced, so he's not eligible.

The time of the contest beginning was clearly at 1pm on a particular day, and anything done before that time is not included in the contest.

No idea why that concrete fact is confusing at all to you, except if you are that member and trying to manipulate it so something you did that does not fall into the contest guidelines counts as falling within it, and you benefit from it.

1pm vs midnight has nothing to do with it.

1pm is one o'clock in the afternoon. Midnight would either be 13 hours before, or 11 hour's in the future. But that isn't what the rules say, so you don't get the credits.

Your stated confusion doesn't change the facts.

There is nothing to get stuck about.

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The person performed the action before the eligibility period began. They have no entitlement to the reward.

There is no retroactivity noted so the person is out of luck.

Taken together, these two facts clearly state that X credit points are gained by doing Y, every day, after 1 PM that day, and all day every day after that. No ambiguiyty, no failure of logic.

See what happens when you try to be too wise? Two Ys.