So why they lie on Jesus

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I am going to keep a close eye in this thread.
I cant wait to see the arguements that come up in this one.

"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"

^^"I said" surely is reffering to someone else that's doctrine of God/religious related. And even Jesus surely isnt quoting himself because we would have read near by Jesus saying "I am the Son of God". So clearly Jesus is not referring to himself as the Son of God at all.

And it is interesting because now the reader of the gospel books has to get the term "I" straightened for every time Jesus even used such the term, if you ask me. For all you know, in certain part Jesus could be speaking in 3rd person in a sense you at first wouldnt grasp.

As for the Son of Man... Concerning what I learned... Jesus out right reveals that aint him in Mark 13, Matthew 24, and Luke 17 because he foretold the coming of the Son of Man. The Son of Man is not yet till the fulfillment. But! But there are days of the Son of man which already be here. And again, those sons of men who are as days themselves are not Jesus.

Clue you all in on the fulfillment of the Son of Man with one quote:

Mark 13:34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

^^Once the particular kind of who leaves it is then that the Son of Man is here alone without an ounce of who doesn't belong here. "; the one shall be taken, the other left." Who all ever is left will make up the Son of Man. Those left as mankind will feel pain as the temperature rises to simmer them out (and it is as murderous revenge from who left) because they are entities of hell (devils). Yes, in this true case to come, revenge with a horrible murder is justified. And it'll be a catastrophe unto a catastrophe for whosoever is left. It would be better if those that are devils to kill themselves in a more painless way, but then again, there is hell either which way for the souls of devils to face and feel. So they stuck! Any time from now to 3-9-05 and the fulfillment is a done thing.

What about this scripture from Matt 16.

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar•-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

I should have included this verse from earlier in the chapter.

"When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?"

Re: So why they lie on Jesus


I imagine it had to do with the politics of the day. Paul began twisting it all up long after Jesus had died.

Someone had to be 'the Christ' ... so, Jesus was as nice a Jewish rabbi as any.

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SCoates: Hoot! New Testament references there. :wink:

Blessed art thou

^^^Jesus is implying Simon as the Christ/Son of the living God.

^^^Plus, Jesus said "I and my Father are one" so therefore Jesus revealed it to Simon that the Christ/Son of the living God is Simon.

There is more I could tell you, but it might be too deep for you to grasp.

My point was that it would be easy to interpret those scriptures the way that most Christians do. You said that Christians make up lies, but we have record where it appears Jesus says he is the son of man, and, after Peter says he is Christ--the son of God, he affirms this, saying that it is possible to know through the spirit.

So where do we have to lie, Jesus said he was both (again, by at least one interpretation which is convining enough), and secondly, Jesus said that it is possible to know who the Christ is through the spirit alone, therefor it wouldn't matter if he had actually said it.

My intention is not to prove that he is the Christ, both the son of God and son of Man, but simply that it appears he has said so.

This addressing your first post.

Sorry to say this, but you're going into Jesus' speaking in 3rd person. Plus, I can back what I say up with this:

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

So that "that I the Son of man am?" isnt the self of Jesus.

And to get a lil deep with you here you have to understand astral projection as something true. So "that I the Son of man am" could be anyone astral body wise since those that astral project each are considered as God and as the angels of heaven.

I think it's time you all recognize the devil in general as those that can astral project.

^^And dont think I cant back this up with the very gospel. But just to give you all one clue of many:

Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

^^^it is standing as God.

And I tell you all a truth, this whole source, concerning what the world is made of, which includes your bodies too, is of the devil in general (if any devil standing as a human can astral project their spirit up in you to do whatever, then of course this source is corrupt). For this is the true source of the devil in general. This source is the Father and it's how come Jesus at the time truthfully said I and my Father are one. The same is true for each one of you reading this.

And as the fulfillment happens when the Son of Man be solo...it's when 'the self' (the "I" of those who do not have souls of devils) will be taken and no longer will anyone who does not have a soul of a devil pass through here again! The ones left are those with souls of devils.

"I have not a devil..."-Jesus

^Can't you see? "not" is being labeled as a devil. And I want you all to take heed to what I say because Jesus did mention: Mark 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

If you cant grasp how Jesus managed to blend right in to what would be religiouly followed to tell you all the actual truth (a truth even about God), then you are just as well asleep.

Mark 13:36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

The master of the house has authority over God in general. So tell God, the abomination of desolation, to move on unto hell because that's what God in general goes unto. Yes! God, the elect, Christ, the Holy Ghost, the Son, the angels of hevean go unto hell (hell at its finest is inside a star such as the sun). And that applies to anyone whose soul is as God which means it is a devil.

And before you even get a chance to breathe disagreement... If that's what you're going to do... Then explain to me what the abomination of desolation is that's standing where it ought not (or rather: in the holy place).

And since Jesus said "I and my Father are one" and said "but my Father which is in heaven" concerning the revealing... What's that right in your face tell you as to where heaven is? It is indeed among in this very realm as its electric/electromagnetic feild which is energy related. And remember talk about the kingdom of God being within?

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

And if your soul is going to be left here after your human death as a 'ball of energy' (an 'angel of heaven') I'd hate to be you. Because this source is the holy place where the abomination of desolation is standing where it ought not.

Matthew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

^^Is your soul going to be taken or left in this abominable source which is in heaven?

You're giving evidence to support the misinterpretation of scripture, which is entirely different than your initial stance. Initially you stated that Jesus never said he was the Son of God or the Son of Man. I have shown you scriptures that could confuse anyone, whether or not your interpretation is correct.

Nothing you say supports your initial post, that Christians are liars. If in fact everything you have said after your first post is true, then Christians have misinterpreted the Gospels, which is entirely different than lying about them.

Psst, SignRelated....you'd be much better served by saying Jesus wasn't quoted acurately or that the people who wrote the Gospels had an agenda, because I hate to break it to you but the Bible includes a number of supposed quotes from Jesus where he very clearly states he is the Son of God/Son of man (SCoates mentioned only a few). You'll have to find someone other than me to play along with your little game though as I can't be bothered to flip through a Bible right now.

PS: Some of your interpretations & twistings of scripture earlier are completely illogical & much of it is taken out of context.

The meaning of the "abomination of desolation" is debated among Christian groups, but many (including those who raised me) believe it to be some form of idol the "antichrist" will make of himself and put in a temple in Jerusalem at the middle point of his 7-year reign, before the return of Jesus. It's called the "image of the beast" in John's book of Revelation. Jesus himself puts the timeframe as shortly before the return of the "son of man" later on in the supposed-prophecy you took that verse out of context from.

The "abomination of desolation" is the desecration of the temple by God's enemies, which happened repeatedly in Isreal's history - Nebuchadnezzarl looted the temple (2 Chronicles 36), Antiochus Epiphanes sacrifieced a pig to Zeus on the sacred temple altar (Daniel 9:27; 11:30-31, Titus placed an idol on the site of the burned temple after destruction of Jerusalem.

...And there's another common interpretation for ya.

True Christians do lie. False Christians misinterpret because of those lies (and so the false Christian are telling lies. It's just that they are telling lies that have been passed across).

Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

^^Devils as men do deceive people, and have been. When someone says they are a Christian they are saying "I am Christ".

Matthew 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

There are true Christians who dont claim being a Christian. And there are true Christians that do claim being a Christian.

There are false Christians who that claim being a Christian, but they truely are not. For one has to be from the foundation of the world a Christian. And trust me, I sure as hell aint a Christian. And take heed. There are false Christians who say that Jesus was (is) Christ when they are just asleep to the truth having been so deceived by what devils planted. And there are true Christians that say that Jesus was (is) Christ, but they are liars who prolly even think their kind (the devil kind) had Jesus fooled big time. But Jesus wasnt truely fooled because Jesus was the one truely fooling them all which is all apart of how Jesus' sayings end up in the midst of the bible in the gospel books.


If a devil told you a lie and you didnt know it was a lie...and you pass word on as if it's truth...is it not a lie still? Someone could tell a lie and not even be a liar intent wise. But the one who is a liar tells lies with intent to.

Watch!

your making me LOL - I'm not even going to argue with you - waste of time and energy

SR2 - You are completely incomprehensible. Are you being deliberately obtuse in order to avoid meaningful discussion?