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A student of his

 
 
Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2017 12:02 am
From The Chicago Manual of Style Online

Fowler’s notes in its third edition that such phrases as “a student of his” are illogical—one of the “freaks of idiom” (pp. 542–43).

My question is the following:

Would you please explain why "a student of his" is illogical? Does it mean that I should avoid using such phrases?

Thank you.
 
centrox
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2017 01:31 am
Of followed by possessive ordinarily means 'among'. A student of his, i.e. one among his students, is not illogical; that nose of his, i.e. one among his noses, is illogical (can you think why?) but tolerated as an idiom. You can use it.



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centrox
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2017 01:49 am
Please disregard above post.
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centrox
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2017 02:17 am
@paok1970,
paok1970 wrote:
Would you please explain why "a student of his" is illogical? Does it mean that I should avoid using such phrases?

Illogical because it involves a a double possessive. Some writers these as questionable usage although it has a history in careful English. The Oxford English Dictionary says that this usage was "Originally partitive, but subsequently became a simple possessive or as equivalent to an appositive phrase". Fowler says "It is not easy to explain why such constructions are idiomatic: one can only assert that they are." If Fowler does not attempt an explanation, I hardly think you can expect one from me. You need not avoid using such phrases.


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Ponderer
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2017 08:19 am
@paok1970,
Your communication seems to indicate that you have more than a basic grasp of English. Why worry about ( and ask explanations of) phrases that have been termed "illogical"? Why not say "his student" and move on?
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2017 08:41 am
@paok1970,
English is an idiomatic language. Idioms are perfectly correct. There is no reason not to use them.

If you are asking for English to be logical, then you are asking for trouble.

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