Democracy is best served by strict separation of...

awww, shucks, you are making me blush

I think of this site as my baby, because I can't believe it has done so well. We sure have had a little bit of everyone on this site, and I luckily have a very open mind, since I have to debate both sides of this issue.

And thank you Hyper. It has been an interesting exercise. Never hurts to have to really think about the opinions and attitudes we hold. If they aren't defensable, they need to be rethunk. (No, rethunk isn't a word but it ought to be.)

that is how are language is corrupted

uuuuhhhhh, I have 11 pages of unnessesary deaths due to religious abstinance from medicine, and I am about to vomit. I don't mean to be intolerant, but these kids are the future of our nation, or democracy. They need to atleast be protected until they are no longer a minor! The good thing about the neg. on this debate...I only have to disprove the aff. on atleast one aspect, not everything. I can say that separation is good, but not strictly. That when life is in danger, the state needs to step in to protect it, because that is what the state is there for (does that mean I can use Social Contract for a criterion?) hmmmm....what do ya'll think?

I would also like to thank you, hyper. The discussions have been interesting, although sometimes a little too fervid.

I should be able to help with the social contract angle since my college major was political science. Unfortunately, I hated the political philosophy classes and don't remember what social contract was all about.

If you have a good judge, using a social contract as a criterion, apart from a defensible value, will lose you the debate. The social contract is only useful to strengthen the value or the starting point from which the value comes.

Equal protection under the law is a value. The state having the right to set aside a constitutional or other lawful principle could be defended as a value, but you have to have some basis other than social contract to defend it.

Shucks

You were a poly sci major and didn't like poly phi? what do you do?

I thank you, Fox, I think that is reasonable, and probably won't use CI.

(I would like a criterion defining quality of life, having to do with minors)

In political science classes, I was always more interested in the institutions of government and how they organize particular societies. I am a career civil servant (Foxfyre is going to give me a hard time about that admission.)

lol. Anyways, yea, I've been here only about a week, so I don't know much about you. But, from what I've seen you post, you seem kinda smart and somewhat funny...lol. Anyways, yea, good luck on the debate, I have a feeling I'm going to need it too...

Not at all Wandel. I am in no way anti-government and have worked for the government in my distant past as have many in my family not to mention all the military types in my family.

I am only anti-government that does more harm than good, that feathers its own nest instead of working for the people, or that fails to consider or correct the long term consequences of what it does.

That is why I am so cautious on making personal recommendations for short term solutions to some of the issues raised in this thread. Too often I have seen the government expand a good deed into permanent oppression.

Foxfyre,

I didn't mean you had anything against government. But don't you think I was biased when I argued with you about privatization.

I really didn't relate the two things Wandel. It is natural to defend one's turf, of course. Never fear. My vision of democratic Utopia includes small, efficient, effective government and full employment in the private sector. If I ever get elected undisputed temporary benevolent monarch and can order such, and if you were displaced as a result of the edict, you would have an even better job nonetheless.

yeah, good luck, too wolf

Too bad you are in OK, so I will never get to debate you, wait, maybe that is a good thing, since my, like, ENTIRE case is distributed on this post, all 58 pages of it

Fox, I am not sure I would vote for you as such, but a a regular candidate, maybe...atleast I know you are honest (or so you seem)

Hey, as benevolent dictator I fully intend to mandate flowers, wine, aroma candles, and hot bubble baths for all women followed by a relaxing massage at least once a week. Also I will demand non-fattening chocolate and decent parking on college campuses.

Now will you vote for me?

Foxy:-

I won't.I'll stand against on a platform of once a day.I'll piss it.

I'll piss too.

Lola:-

You're getting warm.

I'm cozy.

But....but....that is discriminatory against shower people.

(It's going to be really tough being a decent dictator if you people are going to be picky.)

Lol. Well, I debated my case against a few friends, and no one managed to beat my case XD. I'm using a quote by a chief justice.... Anyways, I think this topic has had enough.