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Nature and Preserving Our Planet

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 28 Feb, 2021 03:48 pm
@TheCobbler,
Good sticks.

What about the carrots?
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 28 Feb, 2021 04:50 pm
@izzythepush,
Not sure what you mean Izzy. Smile
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 28 Feb, 2021 04:55 pm
@TheCobbler,
Any initiative like yours needs two directions, and it’s likened to moving a donkey. You can use a stick or carrot a reward or punishment to make it move.

You have outlined punishments in the form of taxes, plenty of sticks, but what should be done to encourage good behaviour? What should the benefits be?
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Mon 1 Mar, 2021 04:25 pm
@izzythepush,
The benefits are a cleaner, healthier earth.

Shouldn't that be enough?

How about free tv dinners for a year? Smile

That is better than carrots maybe.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 1 Mar, 2021 04:41 pm
@TheCobbler,
That’s way too flippant an answer for such a serious question.

Put it like this, if you were some small ethical company capable of taking over a service currently provided by some huge polluting multinational. Despite having to pay polluting taxes the sheer size of the multinational means the small company cannot realistically compete.

What benefits can be given to the ethical company to level the playing field?
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Mon 1 Mar, 2021 05:15 pm
@izzythepush,
If we don't tax corporations for plastic use and proper disposal thereof they will continue to profit off the use of the stuff and never be held accountable.

In the end once corporations have spent their ill begotten wealth, taxpaying consumers will be the only one left to pay the bill to clean the mess up.

We are already paying this bill with having to foot the bill on climate change, a bill that corporations should share in the responsibility of.

I would think the magic carrot would be not being left having to pay to clean up the mess while corporations walk away from the mess they played a large part in creating.

Isn't it often the case that capitalism sanctions corporate irresponsibility while people who "actually" pay taxes are left to pay for and repair the devastation left behind.

A stitch in time saves nine. How about we put the cart behind the horse and everyone pulls together?

Isn't that enough incentive to change the way we do things?

Or we can just not do anything as our world decays and crumbles around us in mutually assured destruction. Destruction that can never be fixed because the things we are destroying took millions of years to come about.

Just because the benefits may be long term it does not mean we don't have to do anything.

Instant gratification should not be the main criterion for change.

The, "What do I get out of it?" defense can also be the, "What don't you get out of it?" response. We have all partaken in the privilege of the riches of this Earth and we owe a debt and have a duty to fulfill this debt. We must all pay it forward according to our own usage and be respectful, thankful and grateful while doing it...
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2021 07:34 am
@TheCobbler,
I’m not saying polluters shouldn’t be taxed. What I am saying is that people need both carrots and sticks to change their behaviour.

Look at global warming, even now there are people who still believe it's a myth and relying on people to do the right thing just because is what got us here in the first place.

When renewable power became an issue it needed to be subsidised to make it economically viable. Coal hasn’t become less popular just because it’s dirtier it’s because other sources are cheaper.

People won’t buy electric cars if there aren’t any places to charge them up.

If you want to change people’s habits you need a mixture of rewards and sanctions.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2021 01:27 pm
@izzythepush,
I understand your point Izzy and thanks for pointing that out.

Gullible people buy Apple products that are twice as expensive and have much less functionality than their PC and Android counterparts.

Consumers will swallow a line of bull hook, line and sinker.

What consumers need is, "the truth".

And along comes Tesla with self-driving, gold plated wheel-hubs and diamond studded gas caps.

All we asked for was a cheap, ******* affordable electric car...
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hightor
 
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Reply Wed 10 Mar, 2021 12:30 pm
Is this the end of forests as we've known them?

Trees lost to drought and wildfires are not returning. Climate change is taking a toll on the world’s forests - and radically changing the environment before our eyes

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hightor
 
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Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2021 02:55 am
The World Is Stuck With Decades of New Plastic It Can't Recycle

We've been hoodwinked into thinking recycling is a solution.

Quote:
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Recycling is not the solution. Only 9% of all plastic produced gets recycled—and even that low number is likely a gross overestimation. Plastic waste exported from the country where it was discarded counts as “recycled,” regardless of its actual fate. And virgin plastic is so cheap that there is no financial incentive for companies to use recycled plastic in their products. In short, plastic recycling is a myth—and always has been.

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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2021 08:15 pm
@hightor,
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2021 08:52 pm


Only 3rd world countries like the U.S. aren't recycling plastic. (cynical)
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TheCobbler
 
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TheCobbler
 
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TheCobbler
 
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2021 06:34 am
Quote:
Toxic wastewater reservoir in Florida on brink of collapse

Families in at least 316 homes in Manatee County were ordered to evacuate Saturday
after officials warned that Piney Point Reservoir, about 40 miles south of Tampa, could
flood homes with 15 to 20 feet of water if it collapses.

The reservoir holds a mix of saltwater, fresh water, wastewater and fertilizer runoff.
Gov. DeSantis clarified Sunday that the water is not radioactive after concerns were
raised because the ponds are in stacks of phosphogypsum, a solid radioactive byproduct
of manufacturing fertilizer.
nbcnews
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sat 10 Apr, 2021 02:25 am
CLEANING UP THE GARBAGE PATCHES
https://theoceancleanup.com/oceans/

I just donated to this project. It's not much, but some to help.
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