White Women vs Free Speech: And Google is going to get sued.

@maxdancona,

You seem to have overlooked the fact that Damore refers to both race and gender in his original memo. But, when he attempts his "scientific" explanations for why diversification attempts are unsuccessful, or even unwarranted, he only focuses on gender. But he has definitely slipped race into the discussion.

As I said previously...

Damore feels, and contends, they are replacing more qualified, better suited white men, with women, and with men of color, in order to achieve more diversity. He has reinforced this view in post-firing interviews where he has asserted that Goggle bases hiring and promotion decisions on race and gender.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/14/fired-google-engineer-james-damore-says-this-.html

Implicit in the implications of Damore's "scientific" view, is an attempt to maintain the ascendancy of the white male in the tech field--that's really what he is attempting to justify.

So, I ask you again--Do you, personally, feel attempts to increase diversity in the tech field discriminate unfairly against white men?

Should women and non white men feel that standards were lowered to facilitate their hiring or promotion--or do white men, such as yourself, view it that way?

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@maxdancona,

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...... has refrained from attacking Google.

Because slander and libel are not forms of protected forms of free speech?

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

D'awwwww. Did we hurt your fee-fees?

More that Engineer is the only one here providing reasoned opposition to Max.

Those of us who prefer reasoned opposition tend to gravitate toward the posters who provide it.

It's a matter of preference. If we wanted people to rant at us without paying any attention to facts, we'd gravitate towards other posters.

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@firefly,

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You seem to have overlooked the fact that Damore refers to both race and gender in his original memo.

I think you are being unreasonable in general, but this claim jumps out at me as particularly unreasonable. I just looked at his memo again.

Can you please quote the section of Damore's memo that you think deals with race? I couldn't find it.

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@maxdancona,

Did you read the section near the end, The Harm of Google's Biases? He is clearly talking about both race and gender.

That you can't properly understand what you read doesn't surprise me at all.

Apart from your "freedom of expression" argument--which really doesn't apply to private employers--and was based on your own shallow reasoning, and complete disregard of the fact that Google has an employee code of conduct--your comments throughout this entire thread have lacked any intellectual substance worth pursuing, and you seem to lack the ability for any in-depth discussion beyond your one-note, dubious "free expression" assertion. .

You can't even explain the rather bizarre title you've given this thread. Smile

Enjoy listening to your own echo chamber since the only voice you are hearing is your own. See ya.

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@firefly,

Here is the quote in question...

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At Google, we talk so much about unconscious bias as it applies to race and gender, but we rarely discuss our moral biases. Political orientation is actually a result of deep moralpreferences and thus biases. Considering that the overwhelming majority of the social sciences, media, and Google lean left, we should critically examine these prejudices:

[chart excluded]

Neither side is 100% correct and both viewpoints are necessary for a functioning society or, in this case, company. A company too far to the right may be slow to react, overly hierarchical, and untrusting of others. In contrast, a company too far to the left will constantly be changing (deprecating much loved services), over diversify its interests (ignoring or being ashamed of its core business), and overly trust its employees and competitors.

Only facts and reason can shed light on these biases, but when it comes to diversity and inclusion, Google’s left bias has created a politically correct monoculture that maintains its hold by shaming dissenters into silence. This silence removes any checks against encroaching extremist and authoritarian policies. For the rest of this document, I’ll concentrate on the extreme stance that all differences in outcome are due to differential treatment and the authoritarian element that’s required to actually discriminate to create equal representation.

Is this what you think he should be fired for? I think he takes his point too far, particularly in the last paragraph. But I don't see anything in this section that I would fire anyone for.

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@maxdancona,

No, dummy, that's not the section I referred to.

Can't you find the section, close to the end of the memo, called "The Harm of Google's Biases"? Maybe you should ask someone to find it, and read it to you. Smile

I have never said I thought he should have been fired, but, because they have a code of conduct, I can understand why he was fired, and that Google had a right to do so.

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@firefly,

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Enjoy listening to your own echo chamber since the only voice you are hearing is your own. See ya.

These kind of statements are always funny because you are posting on a thread to say that you won't be posting on a thread. But then you keep posting... I suppose that means that you didn't mean what you said.

You don't seem to want an thoughtful discussion where we look at the validity of points on both side. The other two options here are meaningless back and forth, or to just stop posting. Make up your mind.

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@maxdancona,

Twitter wrote:

Andy Richter‏Verified account @AndyRichter 22h22 hours ago

All these Khaki Nazi dipshits must think it's called "free speech" because they weren't expecting it would cost them anything

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@DrewDad,

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/200/369/161.jpg

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@maxdancona,

And here was me thinking that was everyone you do like.

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@maxdancona,

Goes right next to your "I Hate Everyone Who Isn't Hitler" and "Green Eggs and Bigotry". And the coloring book:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Sg3PhWxyL.jpg

Or the one you borrowed from oralloy:

http://mymodernmet.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/archive/JbippmSfB3aXfTSDr-t8_fakebook20.png

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The one max'x grandson owns:

http://cdn.pastemagazine.com/www/articles/paperback_paradise_square.jpg

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@emmett grogan,

How about this?

http://cdn1-www.craveonline.com/assets/mandatory/legacy/2016/04/man_file_1066783_5hortonhearsawho.jpg

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@izzythepush,

Which one is max? Aren't you being a little hard on both Horton and the 'Ho?

Max's fav:

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2Fd2%2F9e%2Fab%2Fd29eabb068151834f6759b5f8b849153.jpg&f=1

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Something Max shouldn't have put off reading:

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2Fdc%2F7a%2F99%2Fdc7a990a52bca04828deb4707dc8eaf7.jpg&f=1

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I know I'm annoyed by your juvenile posts but I just don't get how donating to a privileged white jackass will stop them.

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Step 1: Post something Juvenile.
Step 2: Complain about Juvenile posts.
Step 3: Hallucinate that someone might give money to idiot Bro-grammer.
Step 4: Fail to profit.

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad, you live in an ideological bubble. In your world every worthy human being thinks just like you do, and anyone else is a Nazi. I don't blame you DrewDad, ideological bubbles can be comforting. It let's you live in a simple world with clear lines where you never need to question your own opinions.

The fact is, the human being you are discounting as a "bro-grammer" is getting quite a bit of support from people outside the ideological echo chamber.

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@DrewDad,

For a progressive Max has a hard time picking out the real victims here. They're:
1. It really is literally anyone who doesn't look exactly like either me or Max.
2. Anyone who has to read (though I imagine listen to, also) his opinion articulated as purely fact. Over and over.

They're not anyone who looks like me and Max.

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