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Iranians Refuse to Terminate Nuclear Plans

 
 
Reply Fri 26 Nov, 2004 08:15 am
Well, it looks like Iran is looking to renege on an agreement that was just agreed upon a little more than a week ago.

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Iran refused Thursday to abandon plans to operate uranium enrichment equipment that could be used either for energy purposes or in a nuclear bomb-making project, European and Iranian officials said.

The refusal threatened to scuttle a nuclear agreement Iran reached 10 days ago with France, Britain and Germany to freeze all of Iran's uranium enrichment activities, the European officials added. It also gave new ammunition to the Bush administration, which asserts that Iran has a secret nuclear weapons program and cannot be trusted.


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What do you think about this? Do you think that the world can trust the Iranians?
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 26 Nov, 2004 08:34 am
I think they'd be more dangerous than North Korea. If their trading partners can't locate their backbones, we'd best provide one.
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 26 Nov, 2004 08:50 am
Can we trust Iran? Can we trust any foreign nation? Is the United States trusted by the rest of the nations of the world? The answer is the same in all instances. NO.
Every nations will follow the dictates of what they perceive to be in their best interests.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 26 Nov, 2004 09:27 am
au1929 wrote:
Can we trust Iran? Can we trust any foreign nation? Is the United States trusted by the rest of the nations of the world? The answer is the same in all instances. NO.
Every nations will follow the dictates of what they perceive to be in their best interests.
For some reason that reminded me of an exchange between Dennis Hopper (as Clarence's dad) and Christopher Walken (as mob boss Don Vincenzo) in True Romance.

Hopper: "I don't believe you"

Walken: "That's of minor importance"... "What is of major fu*&-in' importance is that I believe you."
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J-B
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2004 07:18 am
au1929 wrote:
Can we trust Iran? Can we trust any foreign nation? Is the United States trusted by the rest of the nations of the world? The answer is the same in all instances. NO.
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This is absolutely a bad signal for USA. Confused
Don't you think that this kind of condition is so frustrating? Confused
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au1929
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2004 08:59 am
JB
Reality is a bitch.
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roger
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2004 09:03 am
Can you trust a nation that invaded our embassy and held the staff hostage? Oh, they were students. It wasn't the government that did it. Right.
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au1929
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2004 09:29 am
Roger
Look at the other side of the coin. Could you trust a nation that invaded another on. I am not sure what the party line is today. In any event that is how many nations of the world view the US.
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Grand Duke
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2004 09:56 am
I don't know if we can trust Iran or not, but I believe we should give them the benefit of the doubt for as long as it is safe to do so. What is the UN's stance on Iran's alleged weapons program? Is there a resolution regarding inspections etc?
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au1929
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2004 10:09 am
Whether we can trust them or not [ I believe they are not to trusted} is not relevant. What is relevant is what the US and the EU can and are willing to do to make them toe the line? .
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Grand Duke
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2004 10:18 am
I suppose the usual will happen. Iran will suddenly become public enemy number 1, the UN will debate sanctions, the EU will be divided, and the US will get bored, don its alter-ego of International Policeman and invade them without asking anyone else. Thousands will die, and no weapons will be found. Then the US will announce that finding no weapons is a good thing, and isn't it nice that Iran has a nice new democratic government.

Then North Korea will become public enemy no. 1....
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2004 10:21 am
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U.S. Says It Has Right to Report Iran Nuke Case to UN

VIENNA (Reuters) - The United States said Monday it had the right to unilaterally report Iran to the U.N. Security Council, which could impose economic sanctions, for what it sees as Iran's atom bomb plans.
It also warned any companies that helped Iran with what it said were weapons of mass destruction that it "will impose economic burdens on them and brand them as proliferators," the head of the U.S. delegation, Jackie Sanders, said in the written text of a speech to the U.N. atomic agency.
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At nearly ther very same time the BBC published:

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Iran nuclear freeze 'is complete'
The UN's nuclear watchdog has approved a resolution welcoming the suspension of Iran's uranium enrichment activity.
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said 20 disputed centrifuges had now been included in the freeze.

The resolution contains no threat to send Iran to the UN Security Council if it resumes enrichment - something the US had been pushing for.

The White House responded cautiously, saying the world must "remain vigilant" toward Iran.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said: "The implementation and verification of the agreement is critical."

"Iran has failed to comply with its commitments many times over the course of the past year and a half," he added.

The US accuses Iran of planning to build nuclear weapons. Iran denies the accusations, saying its programme will be used solely for energy production.

Last week it had sought to have 20 centrifuges exempted from the agreement to suspend enrichment, but dropped the demand at the weekend.


Concession

Earlier, IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei said: "We have already verified these 20 centrifuges and they are under agency surveillance."

"We have now therefore completed our verification of Iran's decision to suspend enrichment and reprocessing-related activities."

The IAEA board of directors then passed a resolution welcoming Iran's move.

The BBC's Bethany Bell in Vienna says the resolution makes a key concession to Tehran, by calling the suspension a voluntary, confidence-building measure, that is not legally binding.

Although the resolution does not threaten to send Iran to the UN Security Council if it resumes enrichment it is said to propose that Mr ElBaradei "report immediately" to the board if there is any evidence of incomplete suspension.

Months of wrangling

Over the weekend, and after months of wrangling, Tehran backed down from its demand that some centrifuges not be included in the freeze, saying they would not be used.

The Iranian authorities added, however, that the centrifuges would not be sealed by the IAEA, but would instead be monitored by cameras.

Centrifuges can be used to enrich uranium for use as fuel in power plants or weapons.

The US has led the calls for Iran to be referred to the UN Security Council, which could impose sanctions on Tehran.

But any move towards sanctions is strongly opposed by China, which can veto Security Council resolutions.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2004 10:41 am
Grand Duke wrote:
I suppose the usual will happen. Iran will suddenly become public enemy number 1, the UN will debate sanctions, the EU will be divided, and the US will get bored, don its alter-ego of International Policeman and invade them without asking anyone else. Thousands will die, and no weapons will be found. Then the US will announce that finding no weapons is a good thing, and isn't it nice that Iran has a nice new democratic government.

Then North Korea will become public enemy no. 1....
I disagree that that is the usual, but I love your plan! And may we be so lucky as to find no weapons in Iran or even NK! That would rock!

Imagine...25,000,000 free people in Iraq... 70,000,000 free people in Iran and probably closer to 15,000,000 than the 22,000,000 that Kim claims still live in NK! If the world would hate us for freeing 100,000,000 from the chains of oppression while preventing unstable megalomaniacs from becoming superpowers... the world needs to put it's thinking cap back on. Idea One thing though... shouldn't we clean up Syria too while we're in the neighborhood? I'd wager the rest of the worlds scum would see the light voluntarily by the time we finished there. Probably, even Kim.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2004 11:49 am
Bill

The Vatican (Holy See) just has some hundred citizens, a totally antique army - but they are very dangerous: thousands of millions follow the president there.

In invasion there would free a lot more people!!!!
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2004 11:56 am
Don't encourage the cartoonish war fantasies Walter!
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2004 12:33 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Bill

The Vatican (Holy See) just has some hundred citizens, a totally antique army - but they are very dangerous: thousands of millions follow the president there.

In invasion there would free a lot more people!!!!
Been a while since they condoned, let alone participated in crimes against humanity, hasn't it Walter?

Craven de Kere wrote:
Don't encourage the cartoonish war fantasies Walter!
Craven, would you like me to add "Craven thinks my views are cartoonish" at the bottom of each of my posts to save you the trouble? That seems to be the jist of all of your comments on my posts for quite some time now. Do you remember the last time you responded with anything resembling common courtesy? Confused
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2004 12:39 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Craven, would you like me to add "Craven thinks my views are cartoonish" at the bottom of each of my posts to save you the trouble?


No thanks, I'm not the only one that recognizes your war fantasies as lacking touch with reality.

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That seems to be the jist of all of your comments on my posts for quite some time now. Do you remember the last time you responded with anything resembling common courtesy? Confused


Bill, courtesy is not defined by agreeing with your lust for war.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2004 12:49 pm
Craven de Kere wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Craven, would you like me to add "Craven thinks my views are cartoonish" at the bottom of each of my posts to save you the trouble?


No thanks, I'm not the only one that recognizes your war fantasies as lacking touch with reality.
Gee Craven, here I thought everyone agreed with me. How kind of you to point that out.

Craven de Kere wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
That seems to be the jist of all of your comments on my posts for quite some time now. Do you remember the last time you responded with anything resembling common courtesy? Confused


Bill, courtesy is not defined by agreeing with your lust for war.
Rolling Eyes Did someone suggest it was? It seems I'm not the one having trouble defining courtesy, here.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2004 12:56 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
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Bill, courtesy is not defined by agreeing with your lust for war.
Rolling Eyes Did someone suggest it was? It seems I'm not the one having trouble defining courtesy, here.


You suggested it was by portraying my simple disagreement with your position as lacking in courtesy, thereby implying that the courteous thing to do was share your affinity for war.

In any case, I will not sidetrack this thread any further with this petty argument.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2004 01:05 pm
Craven de Kere wrote:
You suggested it was by portraying my simple disagreement with your position as lacking in courtesy, thereby implying that the courteous thing to do was share your affinity for war.
Courtesy has nothing to do with agreement and your spin is transparent.

Craven de Kere wrote:
In any case, I will not sidetrack this thread any further with this petty argument.
Pity you had to begin it with your petty condescension in the first place.
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