Do you hate P.E.T.A. ?

PETA's main objective, which they don't talk about often, is the return of all animals to thier natural environments. This means dogs, cats, fish, everything. Their goal is to cease "ownership", and they tote "guardianship" of animals in courts so that they can more easilly attack animal owners through legal means.

Does anyone here really understand the difference of terms here? If you own your dog, its property. Yes, you own it, but you have to treat your dog right. If we become "guardians" of our dogs, we could be walking along, and any stranger can tell the cops you hit your dog, and they will take it from you, no questions asked. The dog will be put in a shelter for holding, possibly euthinized before you can sort out the situation (it happens a lot more than people realize).

Also, PETA is against me doing my job. I'm a dog trainer. I change the behavior of the dog so that the people can live with it in peace, but because I use training collars (in their words, tools of torture) I'm sent death threats in the mail. It doesn't matter what function the collar has, or if it simulates a mother dogs correction to a puppy... its torture no matter who uses it.

Just recently I've heard of thier new drive to stop people from eating fish. FISH. This is something the Department of Health says you should eat twice a week! Because fish are sensitive, intelligent creatures. I know their smart, but thats no reason to go vegan.

Their goals are incompatible with todays world, and so to survive they have no choice but to become extremists. That is my opinion, and sorry for the rant.

I simply don't understand the concept that to be manly you need to torture or support the torture of animals.

I think one thing forgotten by many in this country (many many Christians for instance) that domain does not mean free reign.

I think at time that Peta seems silly - but our slaughter methods in America are only there for speed and efficiency.

Do we really need 8 million patties of burger today - or can we slow down - treat the animals more humanely and be the humans that we are?

I think that all animals are good inherently - and I think they should be treated as such. Thus, we can still eat them (like a Lion eats what it kills) but respect enough to eat what you take - and don't be torturesome if you don't need to be.

TTF

p.s. I didn't make fun of your thread - but I think in a philosophical debate forum - an opinion vote thread is silly. I could open with: who likes green? - but it should not be confused with philosophy.

I think guardianship is more like it because I think humans flatter themselves when they call thier dog 'property'.

This goes back to a thread in the spirituality section of A2K where I said that Americans (the most of which are Christians) have confused the concept Domain with Ownership.

Domain, in my translation, does not mean to tread upon it means to rule over. Rule over has never meant torture. I agree that man should eat protien based organisms - it is not just biblical but evolutionary - but we shouldn't torture them.

PETA's source is good - stop torturing animals - but like all beliefs in thier extreme seem silly.

i awnset with the same one i said before.
TTF

I'm mostly disappointed in the fanatical way that PETA has been presenting their point of view in the past few years. Unfortunately, they've turned a lot of people off to a good message.

PETA's main objective, which they don't talk about often, is the return of all animals to thier natural environments. This means dogs, cats, fish, everything. Their goal is to cease "ownership", and they tote "guardianship" of animals in courts so that they can more easilly attack animal owners through legal means.

Does anyone here really understand the difference of terms here? If you own your dog, its property. Yes, you own it, but you have to treat your dog right. If we become "guardians" of our dogs, we could be walking along, and any stranger can tell the cops you hit your dog, and they will take it from you, no questions asked. The dog will be put in a shelter for holding, possibly euthinized before you can sort out the situation (it happens a lot more than people realize).

Also, PETA is against me doing my job. I'm a dog trainer. I change the behavior of the dog so that the people can live with it in peace, but because I use training collars (in their words, tools of torture) I'm sent death threats in the mail. It doesn't matter what function the collar has, or if it simulates a mother dogs correction to a puppy... its torture no matter who uses it.

Just recently I've heard of thier new drive to stop people from eating fish. FISH. This is something the Department of Health says you should eat twice a week! Because fish are sensitive, intelligent creatures. I know their smart, but thats no reason to go vegan.

Their goals are incompatible with todays world, and so to survive they have no choice but to become extremists. That is my opinion, and sorry for the rant.

Manly Meat: The philosopher in me wants to call your arguments pure ad hominem.

The Marine in me wants to shut your cock holster for you.

I would choose the latter but I won't succumb to internet thugery like a tough guy like you does - Where threats coming from anonymity mean little.

I guess you can take that any way you like it (it seems befitting of your style) - you little, little man.

TTF