I think the lines we have are adequate, and they work just fine. My highschool was mostly Mormon, but religious instruction never took place on campus. There was a church nearby for students to attend before and after classes if they chose to.
This recent business about the "Under God" phrase in the Pledge of Allegiance is nothing more than attention whoring in my opinion. I fail to see how uttering these words can offend someone or be interpreted as religious indoctrination, especially when the parent has a far grater influence on a child than a school does. Saying the Pledge of Allegiance never made anyone religious or instilled a belief in god.
The bit about the 10 Commandments on courthouse grounds is another one. If they were serious they would have questioned the biblical bias of the judge who put it there and made an effort to have him removed. As it happened, the judge wasnt called into question until he refused to remove it. Just some more overly sensitive ninnies looking for attention, looking to make their mark or give themselves a cause.
i have just moved to luisanna 6 mounths ago , the only other parent i really know is my brother , he's an atheist , he thinks it's great , if they want to practice a faith do it at home or churcg , he says
nicely put instigate... i like your thinking
in my youth they had the pledge , prays before football games , ect.. anyone who didn't want to say it didn't have too . i can only think of 2 or 3 that sat out , the they were never repremanded for it
thre is also the prayer before graduation... will the take that out?
BTW instigate , thank you for your comploment on my "should we give socialism a try essay , it took me an hour and a half
i'm new to this debate grup , and i must say i like it so far
glad to have you here kflux
kflux wrote:BTW instigate , thank you for your comploment on my "should we give socialism a try essay , it took me an hour and a half
It was a good knowledgeable post. I dont think any rational person can refute it either. It makes perfect sense!
what about other areas of government , do political beliefs fall under free expresion , i saw on the news a cop who was threated with suspension for putting a bush cheaney sign on his private automobile because it was parked on police property while he was at work?
he lived somwhere in florida i think , i saw it on hannit and comb i beleave
hannity and combs that is
I believe the best compromise in public school is to have a moment of silence. This moment of silence can be used for those that would want to pray and for others to just be quiet. We always had this in my public schools and no one seemed to have a problem with it. The only time we had an issue was when some one decided that it should be made public that during this moment of silence if some one wanted to say a prayer out loud they could raise their hand and request one. The other students and/or teacher had the option of remaining in the classroom or stepping outside if they wished not to participate or thought it would be against their beliefs. This caused a bit of chaos, as many classrooms would empty into the hall during this "moment of silence." More students finding it fun and disruptive to leave the room whether they prayer actually bothered them or not. Shortly after, we went back to the moment of silence.
I used to feel the same way Instigate did. I finally tried to put it into a different perspective. For instance how would you feel if they replaced the "under God" with "under Allah?"
Linkat wrote:I used to feel the same way Instigate did. I finally tried to put it into a different perspective. For instance how would you feel if they replaced the "under God" with "under Allah?"
allah is simply the name of the same god jews and christians believe in a different langauge . the difference between mussloums and the christians is the interprertation of the bible and the addition of the curran.
however people usual asosate "Allah" with with arab culture and so also with the mussloum realigon , it would indeed upset many because of that link.
kflux wrote:Linkat wrote:I used to feel the same way Instigate did. I finally tried to put it into a different perspective. For instance how would you feel if they replaced the "under God" with "under Allah?"
allah is simply the name of the same god jews and christians believe in a different langauge . the difference between mussloums and the christians is the interprertation of the bible and the addition of the curran.
however people usual asosate "Allah" with with arab culture and so also with the mussloum realigon , it would indeed upset many because of that link.
Then I guess it follows to ask if they would be "reasonably" upset? And if so, then how about those who do not believe in any God, should their objection to the phrase "Under God" be considered reasonable as well for the same reasons?
i've already said , i don't think that schools should lead the students in any type of religional practice , or statement . it' the banning of valintary actions of the indovidual students that conserns me .
witch is more important , freedom of religion , or separation of church and state , where should the line be drawn.
Is public school "the state" though? I'd hate to think it was. It may be partly funded by "the state" but I don't think the government can really presume to set rules for schools until they start funding them enough so that the schools can afford their regulations. I realize that's not how it is, but that's just my two cents. It's not some bureaucrat in Washington that knows how to educate kids.
rufio wrote:Is public school "the state" though? I'd hate to think it was. It may be partly funded by "the state" but I don't think the government can really presume to set rules for schools until they start funding them enough so that the schools can afford their regulations. I realize that's not how it is, but that's just my two cents. It's not some bureaucrat in Washington that knows how to educate kids.
like it or not schools are state owned and operated , that makes it a constutional issue. as far as school funding is concern , the states have been given plenty allowances for money , but most people don't pay attention to the more localized election . they all run to vote if it's for president , but the people deciding what to do with the money within the state government are being left unchecked by most of the population . i wonder how many people can actually name the members of their childs schoolboard?
