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Interesting Near Death Experience of a Rumanian Man

 
 
Reply Fri 5 May, 2017 01:01 am
I found this testimony very interesting and true
Have a look at the video and please comment?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-x1boYG1L8
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2017 04:15 am
@Alan McDougall,
That was an interesting description of a culturally derived hallucination.
Alan McDougall
 
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Reply Tue 9 May, 2017 08:33 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

That was an interesting description of a culturally derived hallucination.


How can you state as if it were factual that it was an hallucination.
I had a near death experience that I KNOW WAS NOT A HALLUCINATION
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 11 May, 2017 03:35 am
@Alan McDougall,
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I had a near death experience that I KNOW WAS NOT A HALLUCINATION

How would you "know" that? You were near death at the time.

People often describe dreams as if they were actual events, "So I opened the door to this giant empty hall, like you'd see in an old castle, and there were hundreds of lit candles, but all burning in different colors! It was so realistic!"

I trust that you believe in your interpretation of your recollection of your experience. And very often we confuse our subjective beliefs with actual knowledge. It "feels" identical. As when I "was" in that dream with the burning candles. It even felt real for a few moments after I awoke. I had no reason to claim the experience was real, however. In your case you do. You experienced a very dramatic event and have subsequently invested much of your self-identity in your recollection of the event. I'm glad you've made sense of the experience after the fact and that you've gained insight from your experience but I don't know why you need to insist that it wasn't a hallucination of some sort, or why you need to broadcast your personal vision to the world.
Alan McDougall
 
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Reply Fri 12 May, 2017 07:21 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

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I had a near death experience that I KNOW WAS NOT A HALLUCINATION

How would you "know" that? You were near death at the time.

People often describe dreams as if they were actual events, "So I opened the door to this giant empty hall, like you'd see in an old castle, and there were hundreds of lit candles, but all burning in different colors! It was so realistic!"
I trust that you believe in your interpretation of your recollection of your experience. And very often we confuse our subjective beliefs with actual knowledge. It "feels" identical. As when I "was" in that dream with the burning candles. It even felt real for a few moments after I awoke. I had no reason to claim the experience was real, however. In your case you do. You experienced a very dramatic event and have subsequently invested much of your self-identity in your recollection of the event. I'm glad you've made sense of the experience after the fact and that you've gained insight from your experience but I don't know why you need to insist that it wasn't a hallucination of some sort, or why you need to broadcast your personal vision to the world.


I KNOW I WAS NEAR DEATH because my heart had stopped beating and I flatlined over and over again due to an electric malfunction of my heart due to TOTAL AV HEAR BLOCK
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 12 May, 2017 10:33 am
@Alan McDougall,
But how did you "know" it wasn't a hallucination? And why all the CAPITALS? I can hear you fine.
Alan McDougall
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2017 03:16 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

But how did you "know" it wasn't a hallucination? And why all the CAPITALS? I can hear you fine.


So you hear with your eyes that is very interesting.

You do not seem to know that I had the experience not you.

Many people Timbuktu is a mythical place but in reality it is city in a small African Country Mali.

Dar es Salaam is another real city I know it is real because I have visited Tanzania.

Why don,t you say these are also just hallucinations of my dreams?

hightor
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2017 07:17 pm
@Alan McDougall,
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So you hear with your eyes that is very interesting.

Of course certain inflections are implied by the font, typeface, and letter case. Otherwise you wouldn't have bothered to use caps. You GOT LOUD. It's one of the conventions of English literature.
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You do not seem to know that I had the experience not you.

How could I "not know" that? I'm asking you how you "knew" that it was an empirically verifiable experience. I'm not claiming to have had the same experience myself.
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Many people Timbuktu is a mythical place but in reality it is city in a small African Country Mali.

And in reality I knew that — just recently there were stories about ancient manuscripts saved from jihadist depredation in Timbuktu.
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Dar es Salaam is another real city I know it is real because I have visited Tanzania.

Well that's nice but it's not that unbelievable a claim, not the kind of thing to start any skeptical alarm bells to start ringing. I don't know where you've been or where you're going and I don't care — as if I had the means or interest in attempting to verify your claims.
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Why don,t you say these are also just hallucinations of my dreams?

Because in this case you are not claiming to have experienced anything outside the normal shared perceptions of ordinary human beings.
Alan McDougall
 
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Reply Mon 15 May, 2017 02:00 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

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So you hear with your eyes that is very interesting.

Of course certain inflections are implied by the font, typeface, and letter case. Otherwise you wouldn't have bothered to use caps. You GOT LOUD. It's one of the conventions of English literature.
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You do not seem to know that I had the experience not you.

How could I "not know" that? I'm asking you how you "knew" that it was an empirically verifiable experience. I'm not claiming to have had the same experience myself.
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Many people Timbuktu is a mythical place but in reality it is city in a small African Country Mali.

And in reality I knew that — just recently there were stories about ancient manuscripts saved from jihadist depredation in Timbuktu.

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Dar es Salaam is another real city I know it is real because I have visited Tanzania.

Well that's nice but it's not that unbelievable a claim, not the kind of thing to start any skeptical alarm bells to start ringing. I don't know where you've been or where you're going and I don't care — as if I had the means or interest in attempting to verify your claims.
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Why don,t you say these are also just hallucinations of my dreams?

Because in this case you are not claiming to have experienced anything outside the normal shared perceptions of ordinary human beings.



hightor , your brilliant incisive mind stumps me at its grasp of the infinite/
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Bayode1
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2018 06:01 pm
@Alan McDougall,
Indeed, near death experiences are real and really claimed to have died and come back to life to become Christians due to their strange experiences at afterlife like the testimony of this Edit [Moderator]: Link removed that died and rose again.
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hightor
 
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Reply Wed 2 Oct, 2024 09:24 am
Near-Death Experiences and Psychedelic Trips Are Scientifically Similar

Researchers found striking similarities between near-death experiences and psychedelic trips, particularly in mystical effects like time distortion and feelings of unity.

Michelle Lhooq wrote:
Nearly nothing can be more profound than a near-death experience (NDE) or a psychedelic trip—and for the first time, researchers have studied people who have had both of these rarified experiences, with their findings published in the journal Neuroscience of Consciousness on August 30.

“This [study] is particularly useful considering the fact that NDE research is mostly retrospective due to the unpredictability of these experiences,” Charlotte Martial, the neuroscientist who led the study, told DoubleBlind. “Ultimately, I hope this type of research may also contribute to investigating the potential of psychedelics as a valuable complement to psychological support for palliative and end-of-life patients.”

The study collected first-hand accounts from 31 adults—mostly men from the UK and the United States—who have tried psychedelics such as LSD, psilocybin mushrooms, ayahuasca, DMT, or mescaline, and asked them to compare these trips to their NDEs. The results revealed both intriguing similarities and significant differences, with psychedelic experiences appearing to engage the visual system more intensely, while NDEs more profoundly disrupt bodily sensations.

The study’s participants were recruited through social media, local news, and academic publications. Their experiences were recorded through online surveys, with the researchers asking questions such as: “According to you, was this experience supernatural?” and “At the time of the experience, did you consider that this experience was ‘real’ (ie. different from a dream or hallucination)?” Psilocybin mushrooms and LSD were the most frequently used substances, and many of the participants were experienced trippers, with 21 percent of them having tried psychedelics more than 100 times.

The researchers found striking similarities between NDE and psychedelic trips, mostly related to mystical-like effects such as distortions in time perception, feelings of harmony/unity, and the sensation of leaving the earthly world. However, there were differences in sensory effects, with participants having stronger visuals in psychedelics, and more disembodiment in NDE. Respondents also reported being more friendly and open to others after a psychedelic trip compared to an NDE, with some saying that NDEs had a more negative impact on their lives.

“One can hypothesize that NDE is more often associated with an impression of ‘suprareal’ due to its unexpected and involuntary occurrence, as compared with a PE which is (typically) intended,” the authors wrote.

A New York Times article on the study noted that near-death experiences are shockingly common, with five to 10 percent of the general population reporting having had one. Scientists have mostly dismissed the strange stories from people who have touched the void and come back, Times reporter Rachel Nuwer noted, but some researchers are taking these accounts more seriously, viewing them as potential ways to understand some of the deepest mysteries of consciousness.

“In recent times, the science of consciousness has become interested in nonordinary states,” Christopher Timmermann, a research fellow at the Center for Psychedelic Research at Imperial College London and an article author, told the Times. “To get a comprehensive account of what it means to be a human being requires incorporating these experiences.”

The researchers also noted that the study had some limitations: self-reported responses via online surveys are less reliable because questions can be prone to biases. Furthermore, none of the respondents had tried 5-MeO-DMT, which was linked in previous studies to share striking similarities to NDEs. “Unfortunately, it is challenging to address whether these was a higher correlation between certain psychedelics and NDEs with our current paper, as the number of respondents for each drug was too small to allow for rigorous analysis,” said Martial. However, she pointed towards another study she led, that was published in Consciousness and Cognition journal, where natural language processing tools comparing NDEs and psychedelics found that ketamine produces the most similar phenomenology to NDEs. In the future, the researchers also suggested studying whether atypical psychedelics like ketamine and salvia might have stronger similarities to NDEs than serotogenic psychedelics.

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