Music as religion

On that, I wholeheartedly agree.

Rei, Yes, music and poetry. I have been where you have been.

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Yes, music is spiritual, and it doesn't seem to matter what kind you like.

Can spirituality be found in death metal?

Broken Yet United by Salem

Broken, not united you see the disguise
Broken, not united
See where we've come with our collective hate

We leave behind ideals of a dying generation
Slip away

Bread and blood is life
God's gift to mankind
Broken yet revised
See where we've come
Broken, not united

We keep dry
under the rain of terror

Broken, not united

We leave behind
ideals of a dying generation
Slip away

Berated not refined
You see through the lies
Broke your nets and found
a peaceful haven
Turn it upside down
We keep dry under rainning terror
Children die to fuel the flame of hate
Broken yet united

I feel that it can be, a primal sort of energy, but that this energy is mostly negative and is of little use outside of emphasizing human emotion.

Dauer, Did you write that?

Nope.

It's Broken Yet United by Salem. They're Israeli death metal. Good place to find rage.

http://www.salemband.com/

Well, I'm thinking that if death metal spirituality is an enhancing and emphasizing of human emotion, this is probably true for all spirituality. And any such push will ultimately be rewarding, despite the means to the end.

Of course, in the case of Salem, they seem to be very much against war and to be expressing their cries against it. So death metal spirituality does have its place so long as the partaker knows the ways the music will effect their thoughts and emotions.

Well, TooL is one of the most intellectual intelligent bands out there (both my avatar and signature are from them). A few months ago I too became a "TooL-ite", and saw that modern music does have hope and that hope is TooL. They have a new album that will be released in the next few months, and I presume more inspiring lyrics and musical secrets will be embedded within.

Also I don't find it surprising that Death Metal with spiritual and intellectual lyrics. Once you burrow beyond the "famous" death metal bands there is some incredible lyrics there. But unfortunately most people dont understand metal and its intricacies.

Tool's new album will be released in a few months?!

Clearly there's something you're (or the band) not telling me here, because I was told the new album would not be released until around spring 2005! They haven't even finished recording.. have they???

You're not getting confused with eMOTIVe / aMOTION, are you, el?

I have never heard a Tool song that isn't loaded with cliches and generalities. I don't like them.

Well, I am glad someone explained what Tool was. I had absolutely no idea.

I find certain kinds of classical music very spritual and inspiring.

Does spiritual and inspiring music necessarily promote a more humane and peaceful existence? I'm thinking of Alex from Clockwork Orange. His orgiastic revelries seemed inspired by some sort of spirituality, and yet were so very violent.

Singing in the rain
Just singing in the rain
What a glorious feeling
I'm happy again

When someone commits such violent actions with some sort of spiritual bent, do they view their actions as wrong, as something that should not be done? Or do they view them as informed and correct?

Ummm what song did you hear? Unless it was off their Undertow album which wasnt good lyrically, or you didn't appl the lyrics in the true nature (eg. Tool's song Stinkfist which at first sounds like a disgusting sex song is actually about desensitization or drug addictions, depending on your interpretation, but you have to read between the lines)

Stinkfist

Something has to change.
Un-deniable dilemma.
Boredom's not a burden
Anyone should bear.

Constant over stimulation numbs me
But I wouldn't want you
Any other way.

Just, not enough.
I need more.
Nothing seems to satisfy.
I said, I don't want it.
I just need it.
To breathe, to feel, to know I'm alive.

Finger deep within the borderline.
Show me that you love me and that we belong together.
Relax, turn around and take my hand.

I can help you change
Tired moments into pleasure.
Say the word and we'll be
Well upon our way.

Blend and balance
Pain and comfort
Deep within you
Till you will not want me any other way.

But, it's not enough.
I need more.
Nothing seems to satisfy.
I said, I don't want it.
I just need it.
To breathe, to feel, to know I'm alive.

Knuckle deep inside the borderline.
This may hurt a little but it's something you'll get used to.
Relax. slip away.

Something kinda sad about
The way that things have come to be.
Desensitized to everything.
What became of subtlety?

How can it mean anything to me
If I really don't feel anything at all?

I'll keep digging till,
I feel something.

Elbow deep inside the borderline.
Show me that you love me and that we belong together.
Shoulder deep within the borderline.
Relax. turn around and take my hand.




no I'm not. I heard it was released in late january or early februrary which is 3-4 months from now, and since 3-4 is usually termed as "a few" I used it. I wish it owuld be released this month or next but I guess i can have patience. They have finished recording most of the songs reportedly.

Since writing this I've become a Tool fan. Not because I discovered their deep lyrical message, but because they have a good lyrical flow and pretty guitar riffs. The biggest draw though, is Maynard's voice.

Edit:
I will say the line:

I know the pieces fit
Because I watched them fall apart

Is very cool.

I love music - I even like tool (though I liked them a lot more when I was 15) - but I find it hard to appreciate music as a spiritual... thingy, since I don't have a soul. Neither do you, stupid!

agrote,

is spiruality a dirty word to you? Why?

Because i'm a materialist. Or at the moment I am, maybe I'll grow out of it or something. But it seems much more plausible that everything is made of stuff than that some things aren't. And I'm an agnostic who hates religion. Science works better - it explains a few things well, whereas religion explains everything badly. It's for impatient people who can't be bothered to wait just a few billion years to find out stuff like whether there actually is a loving god. They just guess. But not a sort of trial and error thing, just trial... "Maybe there is a God who made everything and who loves us. Aww that's nice isn't it, let's just stop there." Laziness, and vanity as well, is what it is; it's quite vain to think that the master of the universe, absolutely HUGE as it is (possibly even infinite!) gives two turds about you.

Happy new year.

I had the same experience growing up in religion, hated it. But, the music, it stayed with me even if it was the old songs. I loved the music, the singing, and because of this I've always loved music, can feel any really excellent music, beautiful voices, not just listen.

We went to a Baptist church last night because my hubby wanted to hear the Zambian Vocal Group, advertised in local newspaper. Baptist I'm not, no not! I don't attend any church. Glad we went, heard them. These 7 Africans seemed to absolutely live their music - gospel yeah, but there was a vibration in that building from that bass singer, the tenor, all I guess. The people they were singing to? Couldn't hold a candle to these 7, brought up by missionaries in their native Africa, orphans all. But, they've far exceeded the spirituality of those they were singing to last night, who hadn't a clue. They're attending college here, traveling around singing to any and all Baptist churches.

The music, bytheway, was the message, the words were few. The evangelize through music. Works.