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Does Islam permit suicide ?

 
 
Badboy
 
Reply Wed 27 Oct, 2004 07:17 am
I ask because Bin Laden was once asking for a fatwa from a muslim cleric saying he could committ suicide if he was captured.
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cannistershot
 
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Reply Wed 27 Oct, 2004 09:22 am
Good question!
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Moishe3rd
 
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Reply Wed 27 Oct, 2004 06:05 pm
No, Islam does not permit suicide.
It is against the Law.
However, as is done in all legal systems and religions, loopholes can be invented.
The Islamic loophole is that you can kill those that oppose you (or your particular twisisted version of Islam) therefore you can kill non-believers Westerners because they, by being non-Muslims, must be against Islam and therefore must oppose (your particular twisted version of) Islam and therefore you can murder them as often and in a great a quantity as possible and therefore if you should use your body as a weapon to murder innocent non-believers (and if believers die too, well they will understand in Paradise that they are martyrs for Allah too) and blow yourself up, you are not really committing suicide per say, but becoming shahuda, which means, in the common vernacular, holy martyrs (or uholy pigs, depending upon your point of view).
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Cyanure
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2004 08:21 am
No it's not permitted:
And do not kill yourselves. Surely, God is Most Merciful to you. [The Noble Qur'an 4:29]

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However, as is done in all legal systems and religions, loopholes can be invented.
The Islamic loophole is that you can kill those that oppose you (or your particular twisisted version of Islam) therefore you can kill non-believers Westerners because they, by being non-Muslims, must be against Islam and therefore must oppose (your particular twisted version of) Islam and therefore you can murder them as often and in a great a quantity as possible and therefore if you should use your body as a weapon to murder innocent non-believers (and if believers die too, well they will understand in Paradise that they are martyrs for Allah too)

I am just wondering when these guys are going to grow and stop parroting the same silly song:
Here's the answer to you hoping that you and others do not parrot rubbish again:

Since Muhammad convoked people to Islam, the pagans didn't stop even for an instance from killing, slaughtering and torturing Muslims. For many years, Muhammad and his Muslim followers endured the torment of pagans without even responding.
Muhammad had a treaty with the pagans. This treaty was really oppressive toward Muhammad and Muslims but Muhammad accepted it. No long after, the pagans revoked this treaty, and then started again to kill and to slaughter Muslims.
The situation was no more bearable, and Muhammad and his Muslim followers had no other choice than to defend themselves from tyranny and for the right to coexist.
So Muhammad and his Muslim followers were ordered by God Almighty to fight back those pagans as a self defense actions. So all the verses in The Noble Qur'an that apparently talking about killing and slaughtering are in fact referring to the war as a fight back or self defense.


For example: verse 2:191: And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out.


This verse look really violent, but just read the verse before:

"And Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Surely Allah loveth not aggressors". [The Noble Qur'an 2:190].

Now it's clear that Muslims here are ordered to fight only as a self defense those who fight them first, and what is more important here is that God ordered all Muslims not to be aggressors and not to start a fight unless they are attacked.

Just when the verses are not misquoted, we see clearly that Islam only orders a fight just when Muslims are attacked as a self defense action.

What about the rest of the verses which seem to be linked to killing and terrorism? Let's have some examples:

"Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." [The Noble Qur'an 8:12]


This misquoted verse looks really aggressive. However if one would read the next verse, he will find that he was wrong:

"This is because they acted adversely to Allah and His Messenger; and whoever acts adversely to Allah and His Messenger-- then surely Allah is severe in requiting (evil)" [The Noble Qur'an 8:13].


So??? The reason for verse 12 is that these pagans acted adversely against God and Muhammad and the Muslims. Thus it is clear that this verse refers to those who clearly declared their hostilities against Islam and seek to wage wars against the Muslims.


"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement, Except for those who repent before they fall into your power: in that case, know that Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful". [The Noble Qur'an 5:33-34].

So these verses also clearly state that Muslims must fight back those who wage wars against them. And if a pagan or an enemy repents or surrenders, then Muslims don't have the right to kill him.


What about the verse 9:5 :
But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful

Well let's look at the verse before:

"Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement, then they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any one against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty)". [The Noble Qur'an 9:4].

Well it's clear that verse 5 was talking about the unbelievers who attacked and killed the Muslims, and therefore Muslims reacted as a self-defense!!! God asks Muslims not to go in wars against the unbelievers who didn't fight them!!!

Furthermore, The Noble Qur'an says that if an enemy surrender, then Muslim is obliged to protect him and to escort him to a secure place:

"And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not". [The Noble Qur'an 9:6]

Please tell me which army in our days would be obliged to protect and convey an enemy to a safe place???

The Noble Qur'an clearly states that Muslims don't have the right to attack someone if he didn't attack them:

"Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice". [The Noble Qur'an 60:8].

Other examples:

Q:
Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks [47:4]

A:
The chapter starts with:
Those who reject Allah and hinder (men) from the Path of Allah,- their deeds will Allah render astray (from their mark).
So shouldn't the pagans who were killing people that want to join Islam be fought as a self defense? Or should we let the pagans massacring men?
See when reading in context those things become clearer?

Q:

Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan. [4:76]


A:

The verse before:
O you who believe! take your precaution, then go forth in detachments or go forth in a body. [verse 71]
So the Muslims were in war to defend themselves against pagans and God asked them to be aware from pagans' perfidy.
See when reading in context those things become clearer?

Q:
O Prophet! urge the believers to war; [8:65]

A:

Read the verses before:
Those of them with whom thou madest a treaty, and then at every opportunity they break their treaty, and they keep not duty (to Allah). [verse 56]
They broke the treaty and start to kill Muslims again.
See when reading in context those things become clearer?

Q:

Warfare is ordained for you, [2:216]
And fight in the way of Allah, and know that Allah is Hearing, Knowing. [2:244]


A:

The verses are detailed continuation of verses 190:
Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
See when reading in context those things become clearer?




See just be honest when you read!!! Can you do this?

If someone is asking about Bin Laden and his gang, well Bin Laden is just an American tool created by the American to fight Communism in Afghanistan along with Taliban and he and his gang was praised by the Americans and considered as a hero and one of the Holy Mujahideen.
Laughing One has just need to watch Rambo III to see how Bin Laden and Taliba were praised by Americans so they sent John Rambo to help them Laughing
Now communism is over, and there'e o need anymore for this american tool, so marriage broke up, and Bin Laden wants to fight America.
So Americans need to shut their big mouth and start to clean their own garbage and trash and stop blaming others for Bin Laden.

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and blow yourself up, you are not really committing suicide per say, but becoming shahuda, which means, in the common vernacular, holy martyrs (or uholy pigs, depending upon your point of view).

These people are really weird.
Let me give you a silly example:
If you ever watched a movie called Independence Day produced in 1998 starring Will Smith. You know the guy at the end BLOW himslef and kill the bad guys and saved earth. However people described him as very courageous man and they were proud of him :wink:
Really weird people...

Look for Martyrdom in the Bible:
"Samson said to the servant who held his hand, "Put me where I can feel the pillars that support the temple, so that I may lean against them." Now the temple was crowded with men and women; all the rulers of the Philistines were there, and on the roof were about three thousand men and women watching Samson perform. Then Samson prayed to the LORD, "O Sovereign LORD , remember me. O God, please strengthen me just once more, and let me with one blow get revenge on the Philistines for my two eyes." Then Samson reached toward the two central pillars on which the temple stood. Bracing himself against them, his right hand on the one and his left hand on the other, Samson said, "Let me die with the Philistines!" Then he pushed with all his might, and down came the temple on the rulers and all the people in it. Thus he killed many more when he died than while he lived. Judges 16:26-30

So Samson "suicide" and kill himslef to kill the bad guys and his people to live!!! So just where in the Bible did God condemn Samson "suicide"?

Get a life boys
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