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Huge Cache of Explosives Vanished From Site in Iraq

 
 
woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 10:31 am
http://drudgereport.com/nbcw6.htm

"News of missing explosives in Iraq -- first reported in April 2003 -- was being resurrected for a 60 MINUTES election eve broadcast designed to knock the Bush administration into a crises mode.

Jeff Fager, executive producer of the Sunday edition of 60 MINUTES, said in a statement that "our plan was to run the story on October 31, but it became clear that it wouldn't hold..."


Do I smell "voter fraud"? Let's report lies and see if WE can change votes.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 10:35 am
http://drudgereport.com/nbcw6.htm

"News of missing explosives in Iraq -- first reported in April 2003 -- was being resurrected for a 60 MINUTES election eve broadcast designed to knock the Bush administration into a crises mode.

Jeff Fager, executive producer of the Sunday edition of 60 MINUTES, said in a statement that "our plan was to run the story on October 31, but it became clear that it wouldn't hold..."


Do I smell "voter fraud"? Let's report lies and see if WE can change votes.
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 01:35 pm
ADMINISTRATION MISLEADS ON MISSING EXPLOSIVES

In Iraq, 380 tons of powerful explosives have been looted and may have fallen into the hands of insurgents. In an effort to deflect blame, administration officials are pushing the theory that when "U.S. forces...reached the Al Qaqaa military facility in early April 2003, the weapons cache was already gone."[1] This theory is not credible.

According to an AP report, U.S. solders visited the Al Qaqaa in April 2003 and "found thousands of five-centimetre by 12-centimetre boxes, each containing three vials of white powder."[2] Officials who tested the powder said it was "believed to be explosives."[3] Yesterday, "an official who monitors developments in Iraq" confirmed that "US-led coalition troops had searched Al Qaqaa in the immediate aftermath of the March 2003 invasion and confirmed that the explosives, which had been under IAEA seal since 1991, were intact."[4] Thereafter, according to the official, "the site was not secured by U.S. forces."[5]

It makes sense that the explosives were there when the U.S. solders arrived because, as the LA Times notes, "given the size of the missing cache, it would have been difficult to relocate undetected before the invasion, when U.S. spy satellites were monitoring activity."[6]

Sources:

1. "White House Downplays Missing Iraq Explosives," Los Angeles Times, 10/26/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3382691&l=64882.
2. "U.S. troops find signs of chemical readiness," Associated Press, 4/05/03, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3382691&l=64883.
3. Ibid, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3382691&l=64883.
4. "380 tons of explosives missing in Iraq," Associated Press, 10/25/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3382691&l=64884.
5. Ibid, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3382691&l=64884.
6. "White House Downplays Missing Iraq Explosives," Los Angeles Times, 10/26/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3382691&l=64882.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 01:42 pm
I posted this on the other thread, but if anybody wants to plow through it all, it is enlightening.

While Kerry and company are exploiting a phony story for all they can get out of it, CBS (yes the same CBS of forged documents) is shelving their story on this same subject planned for Sunday night. Why? Because the story is phony and they can't afford a third phony story within 60 days.

Meanwhile, looking at all that is being said and all the evidence that preceded it, it would appear that any explosives that existed at al Qa Qaa were stolen out from under the nose of Hans Blix, not George Bush.

Are you on the left SURE you want the U.N. running the show? It will be if Kerry is elected.

1995
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However, Al Atheer lacked the capability to synthesize or fabricate high-explosive components. The components were produced at the enormous Al Qa Qaa ammunition plant, which was located nearby. Inspectors had many clues pointing to Al Qa Qaa's involvement in the weapon program early on, but the Iraqis successfully stonewalled attempts to link it to the nuclear program. Only after Kamel defected did Iraq admit its high-explosive work at Al Qa Qaa.
http://www.bullatomsci.org/issues/1995/nd95/nd95.albright.html


December 2002
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Iraqi officials said the inspectors also revisited a large nuclear complex Sunday. The site, al-Qa'qaa, drew inspectors Saturday and last week, and had been under U.N. scrutiny in the 1990s. Al-Qa'qaa, just south of Baghdad, was involved in working on the final design for a nuclear bomb.
http://www.turkishdailynews.com/old_editions/12_16_02/for2.htm#f21



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At Tuwaitha, a team continued to take a physical inventory of nuclear materials from Iraq''s past nuclear programme. This work should be completed by the end of Thursday.
A team investigated an outlying site of the Al Qa Qaa explosives plant. (The main Al Qa Qaa complex was inspected on Monday.) The outlying site, called Sumood-4, is near the city of Mussayib and was associated with a past program. Sumood-4 is co-located with the Sadda Cement Factory. The cement plant was also inspected for dual-use capabilities. The same team inspected the Al Furat State Company for Chemical Industries in Mussayib. The Al Furat plant is a large chemical production site that produces large quantities of industrial chemicals, as well as some food items.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0212/S00077.htm


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In addition, an UNMOVIC chemical team inspected two facilities within the Al Qa Qaa complex: a high concentrated (oleum) sulpheric acid plant and the main storage area. ""Equipment and chemicals present at both sites were verified,"" Mr. Ueki said, reporting that ""the inspection went smoothly.""
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0212/S00088.htm


Summary Inspection January 2003 -
Detail of noncompliance by Iraq


January 15, 2003

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•• a nuclear team went to Hoptain Company, and Al Qa'qaa Company -- a large complex housing several sites about 40 kilometers south of Baghdad;
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/01/15/sproject.irq.inspections/


January 22, 2003
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Chemical weapons inspectors also were believed to be headed to Qa Qaa.
Previously, Iraq's nuclear program used the site for the production of high-explosive lenses, detonators and propellants for nuclear weapons.
Teams have gone to the complex at al Qa Qaa more than a dozen times, including several consecutive days since last week. Tuesday's visit was from a chemical inspection team.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/01/22/sprj.irq.inspectors/


Summary of Inspection March 2003


March 9, 2003
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•• A missile team visited Al Qaa'qa site south of Baghdad in Yousefiya that had been used by Iraq's nuclear program for the production of high explosive lenses, detonators and propellants for nuclear weapons, according to a dossier of weapons of mass destruction facilities released by the British government last year.
The site belongs to the Iraqi Military Industrialization Commission.
The British dossier, released in September, alleged that parts of a phosgene production plant at al Qaa'qa had been rebuilt after being dismantled under U.N. supervision in the 1990s. Phosgene, the dossier said, has industrial uses, but "can also be used by itself as a chemical agent or as a precursor for nerve agent."
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/09/sprj.irq.missiles1130/
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 02:00 pm
I wonder how long it will really take to find out when the dang things were last accounted for.

It's a mess, regardless of when they went. Iraq was an ugly invasion, getting uglier by the day.
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 06:45 pm
Again, Foxy, I find nothing in your links except statements that inspectors went to al Qaqaa. Where's the proof the explosives were not there during any of the inspections?


Also, from Timbers post on page one of this thread: The article states ""Although some believe the Al Qaqaa facility may have been looted, there is no way to verify this," the Pentagon said. "Another explanation is that regime loyalists or others emptied the facility prior to coalition forces arriving in Baghdad in April."

The "60 Minutes-New York Times report said Pentagon officials acknowledged the material disappeared after Baghdad fell. But Pentagon and White House officials said yesterday they do not know when the explosives went missing and have asked the CIA's Iraqi Survey Group to investigate.


So, in reality they were caught off guard and hadn't had a chance to get their story together yet. Once they met in the War room and decided what each would say they come out with "it had to have been before we got there."



Either way, they pulled the inspectors out and the explosives have been lost. Whether it was after inspectors / before war, or after the invasion doesn't matter. It was the responsibility of this administration.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 06:48 pm
Squinney, wouldn't you think a UN inspection team charged to inspect for compliance with the UN resolution would have mentioned an enormous stockpile of illegal and/or mega dangerous explosives? Do you find any such mention in the reports? Now either they were blind or no such stockpile existed in the weeks preceding the invasion.
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 06:53 pm
Since they were multi-purpose, they were not illegal and were not objected to.
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 06:55 pm
The explosives that were looted from the Al Qaqaa nuclear facility, apparently in April and May of 2003, had been sealed and monitored by international nuclear inspectors before the invasion. The explosives were monitored because they can be used to detonate a nuclear bomb, although Iraq was allowed to keep them because they also have civilian and conventional military uses.

Mohamed ElBaradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, disclosed the security lapse to the UN Security Council yesterday after receiving a letter from the Iraqi Ministry of Science and Technology earlier this month that informed him of the loss and blamed it on ''theft and looting of governmental installations due to lack of security."

News that such a large amount of specialized explosives had disappeared from the abandoned facility spread alarm in Washington among longtime observers of Iraq's weapons programs.

''This is not just any old warehouse in Iraq that happened to have explosives in it; this was a leading location for developing nuclear weapons before the first Gulf War," said Gary Milhollin, director of the Wisconsin Project, a nonprofit organization that has followed Iraq's attempts to procure weapons of mass destruction for more than a decade. ''The fact that it had been left unsecured is very, very discouraging. It would be like invading the US in to order to get rid of [weapons of mass destruction] and not securing Los Alamos or [Lawrence] Livermore [National Laboratory]."

http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2004/10/26/explosives_were_looted_after_iraq_invasion/
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 07:11 pm
Yup - just posted on the other thread. The explosives were there, and tagged, in January and March 2003. The invasion was in April 2003. The explosives were discovered to be missing in May 2003. Not really a big window of opportunity - especially when you consider the close watch the U.S. said it was keeping on Iraq in the period immediately preceding the invasion. They'd have noticed 350 metric tons on explosives on the move.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 27 Oct, 2004 11:18 pm
This doesn't look too good for The Kerry Kamp's Al-QaQaa caca:

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By Demetri Sevastopulo and Guy Dinmore in Washington and James Harding in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania
Published: October 28 2004 00:45 | Last updated: October 28 2004 00:45

The controversy over Iraq's missing explosives intensified on Wednesday as the Bush administration rejected charges of incompetence and a senior Pentagon official claimed the munitions may have been removed by Russians before the US-led invasion.

Breaking his silence over an issue that has dominated headlines since Monday, President George W. Bush accused John Kerry, his Democratic challenger, of making "wild charges" over the 350 tonnes of explosives and weapons.

The Pentagon is still investigating their disappearance. But Scott McClellan, White House press secretary, said there was a "very real possibility" the munitions were taken by the Saddam Hussein regime before US troops arrived at the munitions facility at al-Qaqaa, south of Baghdad.

At a rally in Iowa on Wednesday, however, Mr Kerry claimed that Mr Bush had allowed the explosives to fall into the hands of Iraqi rebels. Later, his campaign conceded that the Hussein regime might have removed the munitions before the invasion.

But in a further development, John Shaw, a deputy under-secretary of defence, suggested that "Russian units" had transported the explosives out of the country.

In an interview with the Financial Times, Mr Shaw said: "For nearly nine months my office has been aware of an elaborate scheme set up by Saddam Hussein to finance and disguise his weapons purchases through his international suppliers, principally the Russians and French. That network included. . . employing various Russian units on the eve of hostilities to orchestrate the collection of munitions and assure their transport out of Iraq via Syria."

The Russian embassy in Washington rejected the claims as "nonsense", saying there were no Russian military in the country at the time.

Mr Shaw, who heads the Pentagon's international armament and technology trade directorate, has not provided evidence for his claims and the Pentagon distanced itself from his remarks.

"I am unaware of any particular information on that point," said Larry Di Rita, Pentagon spokesman. The issue has dominated the presidential campaign since the International Atomic Energy Agency raised it at the UN Security Council on Monday. The Iraqi government says the explosives disappeared during looting after US forces seized Baghdad. But Colonel Dave Perkins, who commanded the first troops into al-Qaqaa, yesterday said it was "highly improbable" someone could have removed the munitions after US forces had taken control of the area.

The US has in the past raised concerns about Russian activities in Iraq before the invasion. During the war, Mr Bush called Vladimir Putin, Russian president, to voice concerns that Russian companies at least one state-owned had provided Iraq with anti-tank guided missiles, satellite jamming devices and night-vision goggles. Russia denied the charges and promised an investigation.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/photos/full/20041028-123701-2493.jpg

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Wa Times: Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms

By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Washington Times | October 28, 2004

Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned.

John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, "almost certainly" removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.

"The Russians brought in, just before the war got started, a whole series of military units," Mr. Shaw said. "Their main job was to shred all evidence of any of the contractual arrangements they had with the Iraqis. The others were transportation units."

Mr. Shaw, who was in charge of cataloging the tons of conventional arms provided to Iraq by foreign suppliers, said he recently obtained reliable information on the arms-dispersal program from two European intelligence services that have detailed knowledge of the Russian-Iraqi weapons collaboration.

Most of Saddam's most powerful arms were systematically separated from other arms like mortars, bombs and rockets, and sent to Syria and Lebanon, and possibly to Iran, he said.

The Russian involvement in helping disperse Saddam's weapons, including some 380 tons of RDX and HMX, is still being investigated, Mr. Shaw said. The RDX and HMX, which are used to manufacture high-explosive and nuclear weapons, are probably of Russian origin, he said.
Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita could not be reached for comment.

The disappearance of the material was reported in a letter Oct. 10 from the Iraqi government to the International Atomic Energy Agency. Disclosure of the missing explosives Monday in a New York Times story was used by the Democratic presidential campaign of Sen. John Kerry, who accused the Bush administration of failing to secure the material.

Al-Qaqaa, a known Iraqi weapons site, was monitored closely, Mr. Shaw said. "That was such a pivotal location, Number 1, that the mere fact of [special explosives] disappearing was impossible," Mr. Shaw said. "And Number 2, if the stuff disappeared, it had to have gone before we got there."

The Pentagon disclosed yesterday that the Al-Qaqaa facility was defended by Fedayeen Saddam, Special Republican Guard and other Iraqi military units during the conflict. U.S. forces defeated the defenders around April 3 and found the gates to the facility open, the Pentagon said in a statement yesterday.

A military unit in charge of searching for weapons, the Army's 75th Exploitation Task Force, then inspected Al-Qaqaa on May 8, May 11 and May 27, 2003, and found no high explosives that had been monitored in the past by the IAEA.

The Pentagon said there was no evidence of large-scale movement of explosives from the facility after April 6. "The movement of 377 tons of heavy ordnance would have required dozens of heavy trucks and equipment moving along the same roadways as U.S. combat divisions occupied continually for weeks prior to and subsequent to the 3rd Infantry Division's arrival at the facility," the statement said.

The statement also said that the material may have been removed from the site by Saddam's regime. According to the Pentagon, U.N. arms inspectors sealed the explosives at Al-Qaqaa in January 2003 and revisited the site in March and noted that the seals were not broken. It is not known whether the inspectors saw the explosives in March. The U.N. team left the country before the U.S.-led invasion began March 20, 2003.

A second defense official said documents on the Russian support to Iraq reveal that Saddam's government paid the Kremlin for the special forces to provide security for Iraq's Russian arms and to conduct counterintelligence activities designed to prevent U.S. and Western intelligence services from learning about the arms pipeline through Syria.

The Russian arms-removal program was initiated after Yevgeny Primakov, the former Russian intelligence chief, could not persuade Saddam to give in to U.S. and Western demands, this official said.

A small portion of Iraq's 650,000 tons to 1 million tons of conventional arms that were found after the war were looted after the U.S.-led invasion, Mr. Shaw said. Russia was Iraq's largest foreign supplier of weaponry, he said.

However, the most important and useful arms and explosives appear to have been separated and moved out as part of carefully designed program. "The organized effort was done in advance of the conflict," Mr. Shaw said. The Russian forces were tasked with moving special arms out of the country.

Mr. Shaw said foreign intelligence officials believe the Russians worked with Saddam's Mukhabarat intelligence service to separate out special weapons, including high explosives and other arms and related technology, from standard conventional arms spread out in some 200 arms depots.

The Russian weapons were then sent out of the country to Syria, and possibly Lebanon in Russian trucks, Mr. Shaw said. Mr. Shaw said he believes that the withdrawal of Russian-made weapons and explosives from Iraq was part of plan by Saddam to set up a "redoubt" in Syria that could be used as a base for launching pro-Saddam insurgency operations in Iraq.

The Russian units were dispatched beginning in January 2003 and by March had destroyed hundreds of pages of documents on Russian arms supplies to Iraq while dispersing arms to Syria, the second official said. Desides their own weapons, the Russians were supplying Saddam with arms made in Ukraine, Belarus, Bulgaria and other Eastern European nations, he said. "Whatever was not buried was put on lorries and sent to the Syrian border," the defense official said.

Documents reviewed by the official included itineraries of military units involved in the truck shipments to Syria. The materials outlined in the documents included missile components, MiG jet parts, tank parts and chemicals used to make chemical weapons, the official said.
T
he director of the Iraqi government front company known as the Al Bashair Trading Co. fled to Syria, where he is in charge of monitoring arms holdings and funding Iraqi insurgent activities, the official said.

Also, an Arabic-language report obtained by U.S. intelligence disclosed the extent of Russian armaments. The 26-page report was written by Abdul Tawab Mullah al Huwaysh, Saddam's minister of military industrialization, who was captured by U.S. forces May 2, 2003.

The Russian "spetsnaz" or special-operations forces were under the GRU military intelligence service and organized large commercial truck convoys for the weapons removal, the official said.

Regarding the explosives, the new Iraqi government reported that 194.7 metric tons of HMX, or high-melting-point explosive, and 141.2 metric tons of RDX, or rapid-detonation explosive, and 5.8 metric tons of PETN, or pentaerythritol tetranitrate, were missing. The material is used in nuclear weapons and also in making military "plastic" high explosive.

Defense officials said the Russians can provide information on what happened to the Iraqi weapons and explosives that were transported out of the country. Officials believe the Russians also can explain what happened to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs.


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AP via MSNBC: Timing of military explosives' theft emerges as issue
U.S. commander says it's unlikely it occurred after 2003 U.S. invasion

The Associated Press
Updated: 7:06 p.m. ET Oct. 27, 2004


The infantry commander whose troops first captured the Iraqi weapons depot where 377 tons of explosives disappeared said Wednesday it is "very highly improbable" that someone could have trucked out so much material once U.S. forces arrived in the area.

Two major roads that pass near the sprawling Al-Qaqaa installation were filled with U.S. military traffic in the weeks after April 3, 2003, when U.S. troops first reached the area, said Col. Dave Perkins, who commanded the 2nd Brigade of the 3rd Infantry Division, the division that led the charge into Baghdad.

While he and other military officials acknowledged that some looting at the site had taken place, he said a large-scale operation to remove the explosives using multi-ton trucks would almost certainly have been detected.

Perkins, now a staff officer at the Pentagon, was made available to reporters Wednesday by Defense Department spokesmen. He provided his account of his operations in Iraq in the middle of a furious exchange of accusations between the campaigns of President Bush and Sen. John Kerry over what happened to the missing explosives.


Disappearance remains a mystery
Larry Di Rita, the Pentagon's top spokesman, said what ultimately happened to the explosives is unknown, although it remains under investigation by the Pentagon. But Perkins' description seemed to point toward the possibility that the explosives were removed before the U.S.-led invasion to oust Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, and not during the chaos afterward.

The colonel himself did not directly offer that conclusion.

But the Pentagon said a statement Wednesday, "The movement of 377 tons of heavy ordnance would have required dozens of heavy trucks and equipment moving along the same roadways as U.S. combat divisions occupied continually for weeks prior to and subsequent to the 3rd I.D.'s arrival at the facility."

The Kerry campaign has repeatedly pointed to the missing explosives as evidence of the Bush administration's poor handling of the war. Bush officials have responded that more than a thousand times that amount of explosives and munitions in Iraq have already been either captured or destroyed.


Window of opportunity?
Kerry adviser Mike McCurry said, "From some of the Pentagon reporting today, there is a window that's available there where either just prior to or just after the invasion, there could have been an opportunity for either Saddam to move the weapons or for something happening after that facility had been abandoned. And that is up to the administration to best determine how to answer that question when that happened. But they don't have an answer, and that's what we're asking for."

Two weeks ago, Iraqi officials told the U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency that the explosives vanished from the Qaqaa installation as a result of "theft and looting ... due to lack of security."

The ministry's letter said the explosives were stolen sometime after coalition forces took control of Baghdad.

The explosives were known to be housed in storage bunkers at Al-Qaqaa. U.N. nuclear inspectors placed fresh seals over the bunker doors in January 2003. The inspectors visited Al-Qaqaa for the last time on March 15, 2003, and reported that the seals were not broken; therefore, the weapons were still there at the time. The team then pulled out of the country before the invasion, which started on March 20.


Commanders' account
According to Perkins, his 2nd Brigade arrived in the area near the Al-Qaqaa installation on April 3, 2003, part of the first large coalition combat force to come so close to Baghdad.

His troops were attacked by Iraqi forces, who were based inside the installation, he said. Al-Qaqaa had more than 80 buildings within a massive walled complex.

He estimated the enemy forces as a few hundred fighters. He sent the 3rd Battalion of the 15th Infantry to secure the base and the surrounding area, he said. A company of mechanized infantry and a mortar platoon entered the installation and defeated the Iraqi forces there.

As the rest of Perkins' brigade moved on, the 3rd Battalion spent two days in the area, sweeping for other Iraqi forces, Perkins said. The troops didn't specifically search for any high explosives, although they were aware that Al-Qaqaa was an important site for what was believed to be Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs.

Some troops found a white powdery substance on the base. But it was tested and determined it was not a chemical or biological weapon, as had been suspected, he said. Perkins did not know what it was.


Troops found other weapons, including artillery shells, on the base, he said. They didn't specifically search for the 377 tons of high explosives, HMX and RDX, that are missing.

HMX and RDX are key components in plastic explosives, which insurgents in Iraq have used in bomb attacks. It is unclear whether the military is able to trace any of the missing explosives to specific attacks.

HMX is also a "dual use" substance powerful enough to ignite the fissile material in an atomic bomb and set off a nuclear chain reaction.

Perkins described Iraq as littered with weapons, and the Qaqaa base as one munitions depot among many. Many other depots his forces found had been cleaned out, with weapons scattered, presumably so they wouldn't be destroyed by airstrikes.

On April 6, the battalion left for Baghdad. About four days later, another large unit, the 2nd Brigade of the 101st Airborne Division, moved into the area. That unit did not search the Qaqaa complex. A unit spokesman said there was heavy looting in the area at the time.

U.S. weapons hunters did not give the area a thorough search until May, when they visited on three occasions, starting May 8. They did not find any material or explosives that had been marked by the IAEA.



From a year ago, just for perspective:
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Syria Storing Iraq's WMDs
By Bill Gertz
Washington Times | October 29, 2003

Iraqi military officers destroyed or hid chemical, biological and nuclear weapons goods in the weeks before the war, the nation's top satellite spy director said yesterday.

Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. James Clapper, head of the National Imagery and Mapping Agency, said vehicle traffic photographed by U.S. spy satellites indicated that material and documents related to the arms programs were shipped to Syria.

Other goods probably were sent throughout Iraq in small quantities and documents probably were stashed in the homes of weapons scientists, Gen. Clapper told defense reporters at a breakfast.

Gen. Clapper said he is not surprised that U.S. and allied forces have not found weapons of mass destruction hidden in Iraq because "it's a big place."

"Those below the senior leadership saw what was coming, and I think they went to extraordinary lengths to dispose of the evidence," he said.

Congress is investigating whether U.S. intelligence agencies overstated information indicating that Iraq had hidden its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. The Bush administration has defended the intelligence agencies on prewar reports that the weapons were there.

Iraqi government officials "below the Saddam Hussein and the sons level saw what was coming and decided the best thing to do was to dispose, destroy and disperse," he said.

Gen. Clapper said he felt strongly that the satellite imagery of Iraq's weapons facilities before the war was "accurate and balanced."

"Based on what we saw prior to the onset of hostilities, we certainly felt there were indications of [weapons of mass destruction] activity," said the retired general and former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

Gen. Clapper said the judgment was based on analysis of spy satellite photographs and was not proof of "what was going on inside of buildings."

He also said the Iraqi government carried out operations after the fall of Baghdad in April to cover up the hidden weapons programs. The chaos following might have included both looting and "organized dispersal made to look like looting," he said.

"So by the time that we got to a lot of these facilities, that we had previously identified as suspect facilities, there wasn't that much there to look at," he said.

Valuable documents on Iraq's weapons were destroyed or lost in the chaos, which included burning of major government ministries.

Saddam began dispersing his weapons and sending elements of his chemical, biological and nuclear programs out of the country in the weeks before the war, he said.

The dispersal included moving both weapons and equipment as well as documents. The activity began before the United Nations began arms inspections last fall.

"What we saw with the avoidance of inspections, there was clearly an effort to disperse, bury, conceal certain equipment prior to inspections," Gen. Clapper said.

As for shipping weapons out of Iraq, he said, there is "no question" that people and material were taken to Syria. He said he did not know whether material also was moved to Iran.

Convoys of vehicles, mostly commercial trucks, were spotted going into Syria from Iraq shortly before the start of the war March 19 and during the conflict, he said.


More:

Wa Post: U.S. Thinks Explosives Vanished in Spring '03

Slate: Al-QaQaa Hits The Fan

ChronWatch: October Surprise: A Lot of Qaqaa


And a little more fun as long as the fan is still flingin' stuff around:

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ABC News: Discrepancy found in Explosives Amounts

Documents Show Iraqis May Be Overstating Amount of Missing Material
- Iraqi officials may be overstating the amount of explosives reported to have disappeared from a weapons depot, documents obtained by ABC News show.

The Iraqi interim government has told the United States and international weapons inspectors that 377 tons of conventional explosives are missing from the Al-Qaqaa installation, which was supposed to be under U.S. military control.

But International Atomic Energy Agency documents obtained by ABC News and first reported on "World News Tonight with Peter Jennings" indicate the amount of missing explosives may be substantially less than the Iraqis reported.

The information on which the Iraqi Science Ministry based an Oct. 10 memo in which it reported that 377 tons of RDX explosives were missing -- presumably stolen due to a lack of security -- was based on "declaration" from July 15, 2002. At that time, the Iraqis said there were 141 tons of RDX explosives at the facility.

But the confidential IAEA documents obtained by ABC News show that on Jan. 14, 2003, the agency's inspectors recorded that just over 3 tons of RDX was stored at the facility -- a considerable discrepancy from what the Iraqis reported.

The IAEA documents could mean that 138 tons of explosives were removed from the facility long before the start of the United States launched "Operation Iraqi Freedom" in March 2003.

The missing explosives have become an issue in the presidential campaign. Sen. John Kerry has pointed to the disappearance as evidence of the Bush administration's poor handling of the war. The Bush camp has responded that more than a thousand times that amount of explosives or munitions have been recovered or destroyed in Iraq.


Another Concern

The IAEA documents from January 2003 found no discrepancy in the amount of the more dangerous HMX explosives thought to be stored at Al-Qaqaa, but they do raise another disturbing possibility.

The documents show IAEA inspectors looked at nine bunkers containing more than 194 tons of HMX at the facility. Although these bunkers were still under IAEA seal, the inspectors said the seals may be potentially ineffective because they had ventilation slats on the sides. These slats could be easily removed to remove the materials inside the bunkers without breaking the seals, the inspectors noted.


And it just keeps gettin' better:
Sorry no link, this is from a wire service feed:
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VOICE OF AMERICA
SLUG: 2-319952 Bush / Iraq Weapons (L) DATE: 10/28/04 NOTE NUMBER: 2-319952

DATE 10/28/04

TYPE=CORRESPONDENT REPORT

TITLE=BUSH IRAQ WEAPONS (L ONLY)


In-Depth Coverage
NUMBER=2-319952

BYLINE=PAULA WOLFSON

DATELINE= VIENNA, OHIO



HEADLINE: Iraq Explosives a Campaign Issue


INTRO: The apparent disappearance of tons of explosives from an Iraqi military installation has become an key issue in the final days of the U.S. presidential campaign. Democratic Party nominee John Kerry says the disappearance, which was reported this week, is the latest in a series of Bush administration blunders in Iraq. But at rallies in states where the race for the White House is tight, President Bush, the Republican Party incumbent, attacked Mr. Kerry's motives. V-O-A's Paula Wolfson is traveling with the Bush campaign and filed this report from Vienna, Ohio.


TEXT: The president says Senator Kerry is making wild charges before all the facts are known, and suggests the motive is purely political.


"The senator is denigrating the action of our troops and commanders in the field without knowing the facts. Unfortunately, that is part of a pattern of saying almost anything to get elected."


At a rally at the Lancaster, Pennsylvania airport, and later at stops in Ohio, Mr. Bush spoke for the first time about revelations from the International Atomic Energy Agency that the explosives are missing. He stressed an investigation is underway and took John Kerry to task for alleging American forces failed to find and secure the explosives after the invasion of Iraq.

"Our military is now investigating a number of possible scenarios, including that the explosives may have been moved before our troops even arrived at the sites. This investigation is important and ongoing and a political candidate who jumps to conclusions without knowing the facts is not the person you want as your commander in chief."

The president chose his words carefully. Instead of speaking about the dangers that could be posed by the missing explosives, he focused on the large caches of ammunitions already seized by coalition troops.

"Iraq was a dangerous place run by a dangerous tyrant who had a lot of weapons. We have seized or destroyed more than 400-thousand tons of munitions including explosives at thousands of different sights."

His remarks went over well with the highly partisan crowd which cheered as the president delivered attack after attack on his opponent.

"I want to remind the American people: if Senator Kerry had his way, we would still be taking our global test, Saddam Hussein would still be in power, he would control all those weapons and explosives, and could share them with our terrorist enemies."

Part of the goal for the Bush campaign in these final days is to rally the president's core supporters within the Republican Party. With polls continuing to show the candidates are virtually tied, voter turn-out is likely to be crucial and energizing his political base is essential.


Mr. Bush is also making an appeal to Democrats who might consider crossing party lines. At his stops in Ohio and Pennsylvania, he appeared with Georgia Senator Zell Miller - a Democrat who is backing the president in his bid for re-election. (SIGNED)


NEB/PW/KBK/RAE


One with a link; Reuters has picked up the "Discrepancy" angle. The Al-QaQaa has definitely hit the fan for Kerry.

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Discrepancy Found in Explosives Amounts: ABC News
Thu Oct 28, 2004 02:10 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The amount of conventional explosives missing from an Iraqi storage facility may be substantially less than the 377 tons reported by Iraqi officials, ABC News reported late on Wednesday, citing documents obtained by the network.
The information on which the Iraqi Science Ministry based an Oct. 10 memo on the missing explosives was based on a "declaration" from July 15, 2002. At that time Iraqis said there were 141 tons of the explosives at the facility, ABC reported.

International Atomic Energy Agency documents obtained by ABC show that on Jan. 14, 2003, the agency's inspectors record that just over three tons of high explosives were at the Al Qaqaa storage facility, ABC reported.

The IAEA documents could mean that 138 tons of explosives were removed from the facility long before the start of the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003.

The missing explosives have become an issue in the U.S. presidential campaign.

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry has raised the disappearance of the high explosives in the campaign for the White House. Kerry said it was an example of President Bush bungling the Iraq war. The IAEA, the United Nation's nuclear watchdog, said the site was never secured by the U.S. military after the March 2003 invasion.

Bush accused the Massachusetts senator of making "wild charges" about the missing explosives and told supporters at a Pennsylvania rally on Wednesday that the military is investigating a number of possible scenarios including that the explosives may have been moved before U.S. troops arrived at the site.



The Democrats may just have scored the winning goal ... for The Republicans Mr. Green
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2004 01:22 am
Now, Dick Morris calls the play:

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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2004 08:56 am
It's an IAEA "October Surprise." The Washington Post points out that this missing explosives story leads back to UN official Mohammed El Baradei, who may have attempted to influence this election by providing misleading information.

Heres the story.

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Missing and Explosive

Thursday, October 28, 2004; Page A24

LESS THAN A POUND of the high explosive known as HMX was enough to destroy a Pan Am jumbo jet over Scotland in 1988 in one of the worst terrorist attacks against Americans before Sept. 11, 2001. So it can only be dismaying to learn that nearly 215 tons of the substance -- enough for hundreds of thousands of such bombs -- disappeared from an Iraqi weapons facility sometime after March 2003, when it was last seen by international inspectors. An additional 162 tons of the explosives RDX and PETN also are missing, according to a report to the International Atomic Energy Agency this month by the Iraqi Ministry of Science and Technology, which blamed a "lack of security" for the loss.

It's not clear whether the explosives vanished before or after invading U.S. forces reached the Qaqaa facility near Baghdad in April 2003, though it appears likely that the materiel was gone by May of last year, when the weapons-hunting Iraq Survey Group first visited the site. Nor is it evident that any of the explosives have since been used against U.S. forces in Iraq or any other target. It's possible that some or all of the HMX was destroyed by U.S. bombing. Nonetheless, the disappearance of the substance, which was sealed by the International Atomic Energy Agency because of its potential use as a nuclear bomb trigger, must be counted as a potentially deadly cost incurred by the invasion of Iraq.

It may not be fair to claim, as Sen. John F. Kerry did on Monday, that the loss represents "one of the greatest blunders of this administration." Apart from the doubts about whether the explosives disappeared before or after U.S. troops reached the site, Iraq was covered with some 10,000 weapons sites under Saddam Hussein; Qaqaa was not among those given highest priority by U.S. intelligence. Unfortunately, high explosives are not in short supply in the world's black markets, and HMX is far from the most valuable material needed for a nuclear bomb. We have said repeatedly, however, that President Bush erred in not dispatching enough troops to Iraq to secure the country after the war. We'll never know if a larger invasion force might have been able to prevent this looting, but the chances of avoiding this and other terrible reverses surely would have been much higher.

It's worth noting, meanwhile, that the sensation over the missing explosives emanates from the International Atomic Energy Agency, whose director, the Egyptian Mohamed ElBaradei, has been an adversary of the Bush administration on Iraq since well before the war. This month Mr. ElBaradei delivered a report to the U.N. Security Council complaining of "widespread and apparently systematic dismantlement" of dual-use equipment at sites once related to Iraq's nuclear program -- at least some of which apparently was done by the U.S. mission itself. News of the missing explosives then leaked to the U.S. media within days of its receipt by his agency. On the same day that it appeared in the New York Times, Mr. ElBaradei took the unusual step of submitting a second letter to the Security Council confirming the report. The fact that he was providing easy fodder for Mr. Kerry's campaign just eight days before the presidential election evidently did not deter this U.N. civil servant.


The Washington Times lead editorial this morning is also on this same theme:
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Link to the editorial
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2004 03:17 pm
Curiouser and curiouser:

(MSNBC: Full story http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6323933/ )

Iraqis: Munitions site looted after U.S. arrived
Russia denies Pentagon suggestion that it moved explosives

Updated: 2:38 p.m. ET Oct. 28, 2004WASHINGTON - The controversy over 377 tons of missing Iraqi explosives took new turns Thursday. Four Iraqis reported looting at their storage site after U.S. troops had left, while a group released a video saying it had the explosives and threatened to use them against U.S. troops. Russia, meanwhile, denied a report that its troops had helped Iraq move the explosives before the U.S. invasion in March 2003.


The alleged looting was reported in The New York Times and was based on interviews with two employees of the al-Qaqaa munitions complex and a former employee. A regional security chief echoed their stories.

The men did not know whether the looting included the explosives, and it's still possible they were removed prior to the arrival of U.S. troops there in April 2003.

But the Times noted that the accounts made clear that the looting was set off by the arrival and swift departure of U.S. troops, whose mission was to head to Baghdad. As a result, they did not secure the site after Iraqi soldiers fled.

What's happened to the explosives is a mystery. A video surfaced Thursday in which a group calling itself Al-Islam?s Army Brigades, Al-Karar Brigade, said it had coordinated with officers and soldiers of ?the American intelligence? to obtain a ?huge amount of the explosives that were in the al-Qaqaa facility.?

The claim couldn?t be independently verified. The speaker was surrounded by masked, armed men standing in front of a black banner with the group?s name on it in the tape obtained by Associated Press Television News.

?We promise God and the Iraqi people that we will use it against the occupation forces and those who cooperate with them in the event of these forces threatening any Iraqi city,? the man added.

The head of the U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei, reported the disappearance to the U.N. Security Council on Monday, two weeks after Iraqi officials told the nuclear agency that 377 tons of explosives had vanished as a result of ?theft and looting ... due to lack of security.?

The disappearance of the explosives has become a huge campaign issue in the U.S. presidential election.

On Wednesday, the campaigns of President Bush and Sen. John Kerry exchanged accusations over what happened to the missing explosives.

Related story
Bush, Kerry wrangle over missing explosives




Russian connection?
The Washington Times on Thursday quoted John Shaw, the U.S. deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, as saying that Russian special forces troops, with the help of Iraqi intelligence, ?almost certainly? removed the weapons.



Russian troops? ?main job was to shred all evidence of any of the contractual arrangements they had with the Iraqis. The others were transportation units,? Shaw told The Washington Times.

Shaw said he had obtained information on the Russian activities from two European intelligence agencies that have detailed knowledge of Russian and Iraqi collaboration.

The Russian involvement in helping disperse Saddam Hussein's weapons is still under investigation, Shaw said.

Russia angrily denied the allegations. Defense Ministry spokesman Vyacheslav Sedov dismissed them as ?absurd? and ?ridiculous.?

?I can state officially that the Russian Defense Ministry and its structures couldn?t have been involved in the disappearance of the explosives, because all Russian military experts left Iraq when the international sanctions were introduced during the 1991 Gulf War,? he told The Associated Press.

Colonel's recollection
On Wednesday, the infantry commander whose troops first captured al-Qaqaa said it is ?very highly improbable? that someone could have trucked out so much material once U.S. forces arrived in the area.

While Col. David Perkins and other military officials acknowledged that some looting at al-Qaqaa had taken place, he said a large-scale operation to remove the explosives the weeks after April 3, 2003, when U.S. troops reached the area, using multiton trucks would almost certainly have been detected.

Two major roads that pass near the site were filled with U.S. military traffic in the weeks after the American forces arrived, said Perkins, who commanded the 2nd Brigade of the 3rd Infantry Division, the division that led the charge into Baghdad.

The Pentagon said what ultimately happened to the explosives is unknown, although it remains under investigation. But Perkins? description seemed to point toward the possibility that the explosives were removed before the U.S.-led invasion and not during the chaos afterward.




Window of opportunity?
The Kerry campaign has repeatedly pointed to the missing explosives as evidence of the Bush administration?s poor handling of the war. Bush officials have responded that more than a thousand times that amount of explosives and munitions in Iraq have already been either captured or destroyed.

Kerry adviser Mike McCurry said, ?From some of the Pentagon reporting today, there is a window that?s available there where either just prior to or just after the invasion, there could have been an opportunity for either Saddam to move the weapons or for something happening after that facility had been abandoned. And that is up to the administration to best determine how to answer that question when that happened. But they don?t have an answer, and that?s what we?re asking for.?

The explosives were known to be housed in storage bunkers at al-Qaqaa. U.N. nuclear inspectors placed fresh seals over the bunker doors in January 2003. The inspectors visited al-Qaqaa for the last time on March 15, 2003, and reported that the seals were not broken; therefore, the weapons were still there at the time. The team then pulled out of the country before the invasion, which started on March 20.




More details of first U.S. troops
According to Perkins, his 2nd Brigade arrived in the area near the al-Qaqaa installation on April 3, 2003, part of the first large coalition combat force to come so close to Baghdad.

His troops were attacked by Iraqi forces, who were based inside the installation, he said. Al-Qaqaa had more than 80 buildings within a massive walled complex.

He estimated the enemy forces as a few hundred fighters. He sent the 3rd Battalion of the 15th Infantry to secure the base and the surrounding area, he said. A company of mechanized infantry and a mortar platoon entered the installation and defeated the Iraqi forces there.

As the rest of Perkins? brigade moved on, the 3rd Battalion spent two days in the area, sweeping for other Iraqi forces, Perkins said. The troops didn?t specifically search for any high explosives, although they were aware that al-Qaqaa was an important site for what was believed to be Iraq?s weapons of mass destruction programs.

Some troops found a white powdery substance on the base. But it was tested and determined it was not a chemical or biological weapon, as had been suspected, he said. Perkins did not know what it was.

Troops found other weapons, including artillery shells, on the base, he said. They didn?t specifically search for the 377 tons of high explosives, HMX and RDX, that are missing.

HMX and RDX are key components in plastic explosives, which insurgents in Iraq have used in bomb attacks. It is unclear whether the military is able to trace any of the missing explosives to specific attacks.

HMX is also a ?dual use? substance powerful enough to ignite the fissile material in an atomic bomb and set off a nuclear chain reaction.

Perkins described Iraq as littered with weapons, and the al-Qaqaa base as one munitions depot among many. Many other depots his forces found had been cleaned out, with weapons scattered, presumably so they wouldn?t be destroyed by airstrikes.

On April 6, the battalion left for Baghdad. About four days later, another large unit, the 2nd Brigade of the 101st Airborne Division, moved into the area. That unit did not search the al-Qaqaa complex. A unit spokesman said there was heavy looting in the area at the time.

U.S. weapons hunters did not give the area a thorough search until May, when they visited on three occasions, starting May 8. They did not find any material or explosives that had been marked by the IAEA.
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2004 03:24 pm
ADMINISTRATION MISLEADS ON MISSING EXPLOSIVES

The Bush administration is pushing the theory that the 380 tons of explosives were missing from the Al Qaqaa storage facility before the March 2003 invasion of Iraq. Administration spokesman Dan Senor said on CNN that "there's a very high probability that those weapons weren't even there before the war."[1]

For days, this theory has been in direct conflict with a Pentagon official, who told the Associate Press on Monday, "US-led coalition troops had searched Al Qaqaa in the immediate aftermath of the March 2003 invasion and confirmed that the explosives, which had been under IAEA seal since 1991, were intact."[2]

Now, video shot in Iraq by a Minneapolis news team provides further proof that the administration's theory is bogus. After the invasion - on April 18, 2003 - the Minneapolis ABC news crew was stationed just south of the Al Qaqaa facility.[]3 That day, they drove 2 to 3 miles north with the 101st Airborne Division. There, "members of the 101st Airborne Division showed the 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS news crew bunker after bunker of material labeled 'explosives.'"[4] Some of the boxes were marked "Al Qaqaa."[5] One soldier told the crew: "we can stick [detonation cords] in those and make some good bombs."[6] Watch the video:
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3382691&l=65509.

Sources:

1. "Paula Zahn Now," CNN, 10/26/04,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3382691&l=65510.
2. "380 tons of explosives missing in Iraq," Associated Press, 10/25/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3382691&l=65511.
3. "5 EYEWITNESS NEWS video may be linked to missing explosives in Iraq," KSTP.com, 10/28/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3382691&l=65512.
4. Ibid, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3382691&l=65512.
5. Ibid, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3382691&l=65512.
6. Ibid, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3382691&l=65512.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2004 04:22 pm
The explosives in question (missing) are RDX and HMX, extremely powerful and dangerous compounds. Just because a TV news crew saw bunkers with boxed marked explosives, does not mean that those boxes contained the above mentioned material. This is an extremely dangerous situation and how it went missing is of less significance than where it is now. The political rhetoric should be toned down a bit.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 29 Oct, 2004 04:39 am
Curiouserer and curiousererer:


Report: Video Shows Explosives Went Missing After War
Thu Oct 28, 2004 08:20 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - ABC News on Thursday showed video appearing to confirm that explosives that went missing in Iraq did not disappear until after the United States had taken control of the facility where they were stored.
The disappearance of the hundreds of tons of explosives from the Al Qaqaa storage facility near Baghdad has become a hotly contested issue in the U.S. presidential campaign.

Democratic challenger Sen. John Kerry has charged that President Bush's administration blundered by failing to safeguard the powerful conventional explosives.

Bush countered that Kerry was making wild accusations without knowing the facts. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Thursday advanced the administration's argument that the explosives may have been gone by the time U.S. forces got there.

Without mentioning Kerry by name, Rumsfeld told a radio interviewer, "People who use hair-trigger judgment to come to conclusions about things that are fast-moving frequently make mistakes that are awkward and embarrassing."

Rumsfeld also said it was "very likely that, just as the United States would do, that Saddam Hussein moved munitions when he knew the war was coming" in order to protect the material from attack.

ABC said the video it broadcast was shot by an affiliate TV station embedded with the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division when the troops passed through the storage facility on April 18, 2003, nine days after the fall of Baghdad.

ABC said experts who have studied the images say the barrels seen in the video contain the high explosive HMX, and U.N. markings on the sealed containers were clear.

"I talked to a former inspector who's a colleague of mine. He confirms that, indeed, these pictures look just like what he remembers seeing inside those bunkers," David Albright, a former UN weapons inspector in Iraq told the network.

ABC said the barrels seen in the video were found inside locked bunkers that had been sealed by inspectors from the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency just before the war began.

"The seal's critical. The fact that there's a photo of what looks like an IAEA seal means that what's behind those doors is HMX," Albright said.

The soldiers were not ordered to secure the facility, ABC reported.

The Pentagon on Thursday released an aerial photograph taken two days before the Iraq war of two trucks at the site where 377 tons of high explosives went missing, but was unable to say they had anything to do with the disappearance.

The image of a small portion of the sprawling Al Qaqaa arms storage site, taken on March 17, 2003, showed a large tractor-trailer loaded with white containers with a smaller truck parked behind it, the Pentagon said.

Chief Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita acknowledged that he could not say that the trucks were hauling away the explosives, or had anything to so with the disappearance of the material.


http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6651894&src=rss/topNews&section=news


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 29 Oct, 2004 04:41 am
timberlandko wrote:
This doesn't look too good for The Kerry Kamp's Al-QaQaa caca:

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Financial Times: Russians ?may have taken Iraq explosives?
By Demetri Sevastopulo and Guy Dinmore in Washington and James Harding in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania
Published: October 28 2004 00:45 | Last updated: October 28 2004 00:45

The controversy over Iraq?s missing explosives intensified on Wednesday as the Bush administration rejected charges of incompetence and a senior Pentagon official claimed the munitions may have been removed by Russians before the US-led invasion.

Breaking his silence over an issue that has dominated headlines since Monday, President George W. Bush accused John Kerry, his Democratic challenger, of making ?wild charges? over the 350 tonnes of explosives and weapons.

The Pentagon is still investigating their disappearance. But Scott McClellan, White House press secretary, said there was a ?very real possibility? the munitions were taken by the Saddam Hussein regime before US troops arrived at the munitions facility at al-Qaqaa, south of Baghdad.

At a rally in Iowa on Wednesday, however, Mr Kerry claimed that Mr Bush had allowed the explosives to fall into the hands of Iraqi rebels. Later, his campaign conceded that the Hussein regime might have removed the munitions before the invasion.

But in a further development, John Shaw, a deputy under-secretary of defence, suggested that ?Russian units? had transported the explosives out of the country.

In an interview with the Financial Times, Mr Shaw said: ?For nearly nine months my office has been aware of an elaborate scheme set up by Saddam Hussein to finance and disguise his weapons purchases through his international suppliers, principally the Russians and French. That network included. . . employing various Russian units on the eve of hostilities to orchestrate the collection of munitions and assure their transport out of Iraq via Syria.?

The Russian embassy in Washington rejected the claims as ?nonsense?, saying there were no Russian military in the country at the time.

Mr Shaw, who heads the Pentagon?s international armament and technology trade directorate, has not provided evidence for his claims and the Pentagon distanced itself from his remarks.

?I am unaware of any particular information on that point,? said Larry Di Rita, Pentagon spokesman. The issue has dominated the presidential campaign since the International Atomic Energy Agency raised it at the UN Security Council on Monday. The Iraqi government says the explosives disappeared during looting after US forces seized Baghdad. But Colonel Dave Perkins, who commanded the first troops into al-Qaqaa, yesterday said it was ?highly improbable? someone could have removed the munitions after US forces had taken control of the area.

The US has in the past raised concerns about Russian activities in Iraq before the invasion. During the war, Mr Bush called Vladimir Putin, Russian president, to voice concerns that Russian companies at least one state-owned had provided Iraq with anti-tank guided missiles, satellite jamming devices and night-vision goggles. Russia denied the charges and promised an investigation.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/photos/full/20041028-123701-2493.jpg

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Wa Times: Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms

By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Washington Times | October 28, 2004

Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned.

John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, "almost certainly" removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.

"The Russians brought in, just before the war got started, a whole series of military units," Mr. Shaw said. "Their main job was to shred all evidence of any of the contractual arrangements they had with the Iraqis. The others were transportation units."

Mr. Shaw, who was in charge of cataloging the tons of conventional arms provided to Iraq by foreign suppliers, said he recently obtained reliable information on the arms-dispersal program from two European intelligence services that have detailed knowledge of the Russian-Iraqi weapons collaboration.

Most of Saddam's most powerful arms were systematically separated from other arms like mortars, bombs and rockets, and sent to Syria and Lebanon, and possibly to Iran, he said.

The Russian involvement in helping disperse Saddam's weapons, including some 380 tons of RDX and HMX, is still being investigated, Mr. Shaw said. The RDX and HMX, which are used to manufacture high-explosive and nuclear weapons, are probably of Russian origin, he said.
Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita could not be reached for comment.

The disappearance of the material was reported in a letter Oct. 10 from the Iraqi government to the International Atomic Energy Agency. Disclosure of the missing explosives Monday in a New York Times story was used by the Democratic presidential campaign of Sen. John Kerry, who accused the Bush administration of failing to secure the material.

Al-Qaqaa, a known Iraqi weapons site, was monitored closely, Mr. Shaw said. "That was such a pivotal location, Number 1, that the mere fact of [special explosives] disappearing was impossible," Mr. Shaw said. "And Number 2, if the stuff disappeared, it had to have gone before we got there."

The Pentagon disclosed yesterday that the Al-Qaqaa facility was defended by Fedayeen Saddam, Special Republican Guard and other Iraqi military units during the conflict. U.S. forces defeated the defenders around April 3 and found the gates to the facility open, the Pentagon said in a statement yesterday.

A military unit in charge of searching for weapons, the Army's 75th Exploitation Task Force, then inspected Al-Qaqaa on May 8, May 11 and May 27, 2003, and found no high explosives that had been monitored in the past by the IAEA.

The Pentagon said there was no evidence of large-scale movement of explosives from the facility after April 6. "The movement of 377 tons of heavy ordnance would have required dozens of heavy trucks and equipment moving along the same roadways as U.S. combat divisions occupied continually for weeks prior to and subsequent to the 3rd Infantry Division's arrival at the facility," the statement said.

The statement also said that the material may have been removed from the site by Saddam's regime. According to the Pentagon, U.N. arms inspectors sealed the explosives at Al-Qaqaa in January 2003 and revisited the site in March and noted that the seals were not broken. It is not known whether the inspectors saw the explosives in March. The U.N. team left the country before the U.S.-led invasion began March 20, 2003.

A second defense official said documents on the Russian support to Iraq reveal that Saddam's government paid the Kremlin for the special forces to provide security for Iraq's Russian arms and to conduct counterintelligence activities designed to prevent U.S. and Western intelligence services from learning about the arms pipeline through Syria.

The Russian arms-removal program was initiated after Yevgeny Primakov, the former Russian intelligence chief, could not persuade Saddam to give in to U.S. and Western demands, this official said.

A small portion of Iraq's 650,000 tons to 1 million tons of conventional arms that were found after the war were looted after the U.S.-led invasion, Mr. Shaw said. Russia was Iraq's largest foreign supplier of weaponry, he said.

However, the most important and useful arms and explosives appear to have been separated and moved out as part of carefully designed program. "The organized effort was done in advance of the conflict," Mr. Shaw said. The Russian forces were tasked with moving special arms out of the country.

Mr. Shaw said foreign intelligence officials believe the Russians worked with Saddam's Mukhabarat intelligence service to separate out special weapons, including high explosives and other arms and related technology, from standard conventional arms spread out in some 200 arms depots.

The Russian weapons were then sent out of the country to Syria, and possibly Lebanon in Russian trucks, Mr. Shaw said. Mr. Shaw said he believes that the withdrawal of Russian-made weapons and explosives from Iraq was part of plan by Saddam to set up a "redoubt" in Syria that could be used as a base for launching pro-Saddam insurgency operations in Iraq.

The Russian units were dispatched beginning in January 2003 and by March had destroyed hundreds of pages of documents on Russian arms supplies to Iraq while dispersing arms to Syria, the second official said. Desides their own weapons, the Russians were supplying Saddam with arms made in Ukraine, Belarus, Bulgaria and other Eastern European nations, he said. "Whatever was not buried was put on lorries and sent to the Syrian border," the defense official said.

Documents reviewed by the official included itineraries of military units involved in the truck shipments to Syria. The materials outlined in the documents included missile components, MiG jet parts, tank parts and chemicals used to make chemical weapons, the official said.
T
he director of the Iraqi government front company known as the Al Bashair Trading Co. fled to Syria, where he is in charge of monitoring arms holdings and funding Iraqi insurgent activities, the official said.

Also, an Arabic-language report obtained by U.S. intelligence disclosed the extent of Russian armaments. The 26-page report was written by Abdul Tawab Mullah al Huwaysh, Saddam's minister of military industrialization, who was captured by U.S. forces May 2, 2003.

The Russian "spetsnaz" or special-operations forces were under the GRU military intelligence service and organized large commercial truck convoys for the weapons removal, the official said.

Regarding the explosives, the new Iraqi government reported that 194.7 metric tons of HMX, or high-melting-point explosive, and 141.2 metric tons of RDX, or rapid-detonation explosive, and 5.8 metric tons of PETN, or pentaerythritol tetranitrate, were missing. The material is used in nuclear weapons and also in making military "plastic" high explosive.

Defense officials said the Russians can provide information on what happened to the Iraqi weapons and explosives that were transported out of the country. Officials believe the Russians also can explain what happened to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs.


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AP via MSNBC: Timing of military explosives? theft emerges as issue
U.S. commander says it?s unlikely it occurred after 2003 U.S. invasion

The Associated Press
Updated: 7:06 p.m. ET Oct. 27, 2004


The infantry commander whose troops first captured the Iraqi weapons depot where 377 tons of explosives disappeared said Wednesday it is ?very highly improbable? that someone could have trucked out so much material once U.S. forces arrived in the area.

Two major roads that pass near the sprawling Al-Qaqaa installation were filled with U.S. military traffic in the weeks after April 3, 2003, when U.S. troops first reached the area, said Col. Dave Perkins, who commanded the 2nd Brigade of the 3rd Infantry Division, the division that led the charge into Baghdad.

While he and other military officials acknowledged that some looting at the site had taken place, he said a large-scale operation to remove the explosives using multi-ton trucks would almost certainly have been detected.

Perkins, now a staff officer at the Pentagon, was made available to reporters Wednesday by Defense Department spokesmen. He provided his account of his operations in Iraq in the middle of a furious exchange of accusations between the campaigns of President Bush and Sen. John Kerry over what happened to the missing explosives.


Disappearance remains a mystery
Larry Di Rita, the Pentagon?s top spokesman, said what ultimately happened to the explosives is unknown, although it remains under investigation by the Pentagon. But Perkins? description seemed to point toward the possibility that the explosives were removed before the U.S.-led invasion to oust Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, and not during the chaos afterward.

The colonel himself did not directly offer that conclusion.

But the Pentagon said a statement Wednesday, ?The movement of 377 tons of heavy ordnance would have required dozens of heavy trucks and equipment moving along the same roadways as U.S. combat divisions occupied continually for weeks prior to and subsequent to the 3rd I.D.?s arrival at the facility.?

The Kerry campaign has repeatedly pointed to the missing explosives as evidence of the Bush administration?s poor handling of the war. Bush officials have responded that more than a thousand times that amount of explosives and munitions in Iraq have already been either captured or destroyed.


Window of opportunity?
Kerry adviser Mike McCurry said, ?From some of the Pentagon reporting today, there is a window that?s available there where either just prior to or just after the invasion, there could have been an opportunity for either Saddam to move the weapons or for something happening after that facility had been abandoned. And that is up to the administration to best determine how to answer that question when that happened. But they don?t have an answer, and that?s what we?re asking for.?

Two weeks ago, Iraqi officials told the U.N.?s International Atomic Energy Agency that the explosives vanished from the Qaqaa installation as a result of ?theft and looting ... due to lack of security.?

The ministry?s letter said the explosives were stolen sometime after coalition forces took control of Baghdad.

The explosives were known to be housed in storage bunkers at Al-Qaqaa. U.N. nuclear inspectors placed fresh seals over the bunker doors in January 2003. The inspectors visited Al-Qaqaa for the last time on March 15, 2003, and reported that the seals were not broken; therefore, the weapons were still there at the time. The team then pulled out of the country before the invasion, which started on March 20.


Commanders' account
According to Perkins, his 2nd Brigade arrived in the area near the Al-Qaqaa installation on April 3, 2003, part of the first large coalition combat force to come so close to Baghdad.

His troops were attacked by Iraqi forces, who were based inside the installation, he said. Al-Qaqaa had more than 80 buildings within a massive walled complex.

He estimated the enemy forces as a few hundred fighters. He sent the 3rd Battalion of the 15th Infantry to secure the base and the surrounding area, he said. A company of mechanized infantry and a mortar platoon entered the installation and defeated the Iraqi forces there.

As the rest of Perkins? brigade moved on, the 3rd Battalion spent two days in the area, sweeping for other Iraqi forces, Perkins said. The troops didn?t specifically search for any high explosives, although they were aware that Al-Qaqaa was an important site for what was believed to be Iraq?s weapons of mass destruction programs.

Some troops found a white powdery substance on the base. But it was tested and determined it was not a chemical or biological weapon, as had been suspected, he said. Perkins did not know what it was.


Troops found other weapons, including artillery shells, on the base, he said. They didn?t specifically search for the 377 tons of high explosives, HMX and RDX, that are missing.

HMX and RDX are key components in plastic explosives, which insurgents in Iraq have used in bomb attacks. It is unclear whether the military is able to trace any of the missing explosives to specific attacks.

HMX is also a ?dual use? substance powerful enough to ignite the fissile material in an atomic bomb and set off a nuclear chain reaction.

Perkins described Iraq as littered with weapons, and the Qaqaa base as one munitions depot among many. Many other depots his forces found had been cleaned out, with weapons scattered, presumably so they wouldn?t be destroyed by airstrikes.

On April 6, the battalion left for Baghdad. About four days later, another large unit, the 2nd Brigade of the 101st Airborne Division, moved into the area. That unit did not search the Qaqaa complex. A unit spokesman said there was heavy looting in the area at the time.

U.S. weapons hunters did not give the area a thorough search until May, when they visited on three occasions, starting May 8. They did not find any material or explosives that had been marked by the IAEA.



From a year ago, just for perspective:
Quote:
Syria Storing Iraq's WMDs
By Bill Gertz
Washington Times | October 29, 2003

Iraqi military officers destroyed or hid chemical, biological and nuclear weapons goods in the weeks before the war, the nation's top satellite spy director said yesterday.

Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. James Clapper, head of the National Imagery and Mapping Agency, said vehicle traffic photographed by U.S. spy satellites indicated that material and documents related to the arms programs were shipped to Syria.

Other goods probably were sent throughout Iraq in small quantities and documents probably were stashed in the homes of weapons scientists, Gen. Clapper told defense reporters at a breakfast.

Gen. Clapper said he is not surprised that U.S. and allied forces have not found weapons of mass destruction hidden in Iraq because "it's a big place."

"Those below the senior leadership saw what was coming, and I think they went to extraordinary lengths to dispose of the evidence," he said.

Congress is investigating whether U.S. intelligence agencies overstated information indicating that Iraq had hidden its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. The Bush administration has defended the intelligence agencies on prewar reports that the weapons were there.

Iraqi government officials "below the Saddam Hussein and the sons level saw what was coming and decided the best thing to do was to dispose, destroy and disperse," he said.

Gen. Clapper said he felt strongly that the satellite imagery of Iraq's weapons facilities before the war was "accurate and balanced."

"Based on what we saw prior to the onset of hostilities, we certainly felt there were indications of [weapons of mass destruction] activity," said the retired general and former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

Gen. Clapper said the judgment was based on analysis of spy satellite photographs and was not proof of "what was going on inside of buildings."

He also said the Iraqi government carried out operations after the fall of Baghdad in April to cover up the hidden weapons programs. The chaos following might have included both looting and "organized dispersal made to look like looting," he said.

"So by the time that we got to a lot of these facilities, that we had previously identified as suspect facilities, there wasn't that much there to look at," he said.

Valuable documents on Iraq's weapons were destroyed or lost in the chaos, which included burning of major government ministries.

Saddam began dispersing his weapons and sending elements of his chemical, biological and nuclear programs out of the country in the weeks before the war, he said.

The dispersal included moving both weapons and equipment as well as documents. The activity began before the United Nations began arms inspections last fall.

"What we saw with the avoidance of inspections, there was clearly an effort to disperse, bury, conceal certain equipment prior to inspections," Gen. Clapper said.

As for shipping weapons out of Iraq, he said, there is "no question" that people and material were taken to Syria. He said he did not know whether material also was moved to Iran.

Convoys of vehicles, mostly commercial trucks, were spotted going into Syria from Iraq shortly before the start of the war March 19 and during the conflict, he said.


More:

Wa Post: U.S. Thinks Explosives Vanished in Spring '03

Slate: Al-QaQaa Hits The Fan

ChronWatch: October Surprise: A Lot of Qaqaa


And a little more fun as long as the fan is still flingin' stuff around:

Quote:
ABC News: Discrepancy found in Explosives Amounts

Documents Show Iraqis May Be Overstating Amount of Missing Material
- Iraqi officials may be overstating the amount of explosives reported to have disappeared from a weapons depot, documents obtained by ABC News show.

The Iraqi interim government has told the United States and international weapons inspectors that 377 tons of conventional explosives are missing from the Al-Qaqaa installation, which was supposed to be under U.S. military control.

But International Atomic Energy Agency documents obtained by ABC News and first reported on "World News Tonight with Peter Jennings" indicate the amount of missing explosives may be substantially less than the Iraqis reported.

The information on which the Iraqi Science Ministry based an Oct. 10 memo in which it reported that 377 tons of RDX explosives were missing -- presumably stolen due to a lack of security -- was based on "declaration" from July 15, 2002. At that time, the Iraqis said there were 141 tons of RDX explosives at the facility.

But the confidential IAEA documents obtained by ABC News show that on Jan. 14, 2003, the agency's inspectors recorded that just over 3 tons of RDX was stored at the facility -- a considerable discrepancy from what the Iraqis reported.

The IAEA documents could mean that 138 tons of explosives were removed from the facility long before the start of the United States launched "Operation Iraqi Freedom" in March 2003.

The missing explosives have become an issue in the presidential campaign. Sen. John Kerry has pointed to the disappearance as evidence of the Bush administration's poor handling of the war. The Bush camp has responded that more than a thousand times that amount of explosives or munitions have been recovered or destroyed in Iraq.


Another Concern

The IAEA documents from January 2003 found no discrepancy in the amount of the more dangerous HMX explosives thought to be stored at Al-Qaqaa, but they do raise another disturbing possibility.

The documents show IAEA inspectors looked at nine bunkers containing more than 194 tons of HMX at the facility. Although these bunkers were still under IAEA seal, the inspectors said the seals may be potentially ineffective because they had ventilation slats on the sides. These slats could be easily removed to remove the materials inside the bunkers without breaking the seals, the inspectors noted.


And it just keeps gettin' better:
Sorry no link, this is from a wire service feed:
Quote:
VOICE OF AMERICA
SLUG: 2-319952 Bush / Iraq Weapons (L) DATE: 10/28/04 NOTE NUMBER: 2-319952

DATE 10/28/04

TYPE=CORRESPONDENT REPORT

TITLE=BUSH IRAQ WEAPONS (L ONLY)


In-Depth Coverage
NUMBER=2-319952

BYLINE=PAULA WOLFSON

DATELINE= VIENNA, OHIO



HEADLINE: Iraq Explosives a Campaign Issue


INTRO: The apparent disappearance of tons of explosives from an Iraqi military installation has become an key issue in the final days of the U.S. presidential campaign. Democratic Party nominee John Kerry says the disappearance, which was reported this week, is the latest in a series of Bush administration blunders in Iraq. But at rallies in states where the race for the White House is tight, President Bush, the Republican Party incumbent, attacked Mr. Kerry's motives. V-O-A's Paula Wolfson is traveling with the Bush campaign and filed this report from Vienna, Ohio.


TEXT: The president says Senator Kerry is making wild charges before all the facts are known, and suggests the motive is purely political.


"The senator is denigrating the action of our troops and commanders in the field without knowing the facts. Unfortunately, that is part of a pattern of saying almost anything to get elected."


At a rally at the Lancaster, Pennsylvania airport, and later at stops in Ohio, Mr. Bush spoke for the first time about revelations from the International Atomic Energy Agency that the explosives are missing. He stressed an investigation is underway and took John Kerry to task for alleging American forces failed to find and secure the explosives after the invasion of Iraq.

"Our military is now investigating a number of possible scenarios, including that the explosives may have been moved before our troops even arrived at the sites. This investigation is important and ongoing and a political candidate who jumps to conclusions without knowing the facts is not the person you want as your commander in chief."

The president chose his words carefully. Instead of speaking about the dangers that could be posed by the missing explosives, he focused on the large caches of ammunitions already seized by coalition troops.

"Iraq was a dangerous place run by a dangerous tyrant who had a lot of weapons. We have seized or destroyed more than 400-thousand tons of munitions including explosives at thousands of different sights."

His remarks went over well with the highly partisan crowd which cheered as the president delivered attack after attack on his opponent.

"I want to remind the American people: if Senator Kerry had his way, we would still be taking our global test, Saddam Hussein would still be in power, he would control all those weapons and explosives, and could share them with our terrorist enemies."

Part of the goal for the Bush campaign in these final days is to rally the president's core supporters within the Republican Party. With polls continuing to show the candidates are virtually tied, voter turn-out is likely to be crucial and energizing his political base is essential.


Mr. Bush is also making an appeal to Democrats who might consider crossing party lines. At his stops in Ohio and Pennsylvania, he appeared with Georgia Senator Zell Miller - a Democrat who is backing the president in his bid for re-election. (SIGNED)


NEB/PW/KBK/RAE


One with a link; Reuters has picked up the "Discrepancy" angle. The Al-QaQaa has definitely hit the fan for Kerry.

Quote:
Discrepancy Found in Explosives Amounts: ABC News
Thu Oct 28, 2004 02:10 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The amount of conventional explosives missing from an Iraqi storage facility may be substantially less than the 377 tons reported by Iraqi officials, ABC News reported late on Wednesday, citing documents obtained by the network.
The information on which the Iraqi Science Ministry based an Oct. 10 memo on the missing explosives was based on a "declaration" from July 15, 2002. At that time Iraqis said there were 141 tons of the explosives at the facility, ABC reported.

International Atomic Energy Agency documents obtained by ABC show that on Jan. 14, 2003, the agency's inspectors record that just over three tons of high explosives were at the Al Qaqaa storage facility, ABC reported.

The IAEA documents could mean that 138 tons of explosives were removed from the facility long before the start of the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003.

The missing explosives have become an issue in the U.S. presidential campaign.

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry has raised the disappearance of the high explosives in the campaign for the White House. Kerry said it was an example of President Bush bungling the Iraq war. The IAEA, the United Nation's nuclear watchdog, said the site was never secured by the U.S. military after the March 2003 invasion.

Bush accused the Massachusetts senator of making "wild charges" about the missing explosives and told supporters at a Pennsylvania rally on Wednesday that the military is investigating a number of possible scenarios including that the explosives may have been moved before U.S. troops arrived at the site.



The Democrats may just have scored the winning goal ... for The Republicans Mr. Green


Still caa caa, Timber? Any change in your POV?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 29 Oct, 2004 04:43 am

Kerry, Bush Clash on Explosives, Character
Thu Oct 28, 2004 07:22 PM ET
(Page 1 of 3)

By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic Sen. John Kerry attacked President Bush's "shifting explanations" on missing explosives in Iraq on Thursday, but Bush said Kerry lacked the conviction and consistency to lead the nation at a time of war.

With most polls showing the race for the White House deadlocked five days before Tuesday's election, the candidates fought for votes in a handful of key battleground states crucial to accumulating the 270 electoral votes needed to win.

Appearing with rock legend Bruce Springsteen at a mammoth rally in Madison, Wisconsin, Kerry said the disappearance of about 380 tons of explosives from a storage facility in Iraq was the latest example of the president's "continuing misjudgments."

"George Bush's shifting explanations and effort to blame everybody but (himself) is evidence that he believes the buck stops anywhere but with the president," Kerry told an estimated 80,000 supporters in front of the state capitol.

"We need a president who takes responsibility and understands what being commander in chief is all about," the Massachusetts senator said.

Bush countered that Kerry was "again attacking the actions of our military in Iraq with complete disregard for the facts" and slammed his "campaign of contradictions." He questioned Kerry's vote to authorize force in Iraq and his later criticism that it was wrong to use that force.

"What does that lack of conviction signal to our enemies, that if you make things uncomfortable, if you stir up trouble, John Kerry will back off? That's a very dangerous signal to send during this time," Bush told supporters in Saginaw, Michigan.

PLAY ON KERRY'S WORDS

"The senator's willingness to trade principle for political convenience makes it clear that John Kerry is the wrong man for the wrong job at the wrong time," Bush said, playing on Kerry's frequently quoted criticism of Iraq as "the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time."

Kerry's commented on the missing munitions for the fourth consecutive day, as the Iraq war and questions about each candidate's personal credibility stayed at the top of the campaign agenda.

The U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency nuclear watchdog said the storage site was never secured by the U.S. military after the March 2003 invasion. The explosives could potentially be used to detonate a nuclear bomb, blow up an airplane or for other military applications, experts said..........


Full story at http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6651389&src=rss/topNews&section=news


Damned if I know....
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squinney
 
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Reply Fri 29 Oct, 2004 05:04 am
Bush is not responsible for this. He is only the president. He has no control over the war, its planning, , or those that do the planning. He just hired them.

Although he was told about the explosves and the need to protect them, its not his fault because God told him He would take care of them.

What about this are you all having trouble understanding? Shocked
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