dagmaraka wrote:easy, kickster, easy. how about nonsmokers in a cloud-of-smoke bars? don't tell me they can choose to go elsewhere, because a) that ain't really true in what ireland was like and most countries still are and b) that ain't fair. smokers don't waste their own health only, but others' too, who don't make that choice.
i'm all for freedoms... but you can only swing your fist freely until it hits someone's nose. then it's trespassing the hit person's right to protection from arbitrary violence or whatnot.
What you fail to see is that it should be up to the bar owners. How many people die because of drunk drivers? I'm sure that if they (whoever "they" is) wanted to, they could show statistically that drinking, on average, has a much greater probability of killing a person before their time than the little tiny bit of second-hand smoke that people WHO CHOOSE TO GO TO THAT BAR, by the way, inhale in a two or three hour stint at a bar. Maybe they should outlaw drinking in bars too?
That second-hand smoke argument is really such a load of ****. Unless you are in a bar for about four hours every night for about ten years, I really doubt that this is a health issue. It's more a "Ooooh, that smells bad! I don't like the smell of it on my clothes. Oooh, make those bad people stop smoking, because I don't like it!" kind of thing. It's a world of fussy little prissy tightasses that we are now living in, and that is REALLY the beginning and the end of it.
Don't buy the bullshit that these busybody, self-righteous types are selling. It stinks.