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17-member Army platoon arrested for refusing suicide mission

 
 
Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 10:44 am
Mississippi Clarion News
October 15, 2004
Platoon defies orders in Iraq - Miss. soldier calls home, cites safety concerns
By Jeremy Hudson
[email protected]

A 17-member Army Reserve platoon with troops from Jackson and around the Southeast deployed to Iraq is under arrest for refusing a "suicide mission" to deliver fuel, the troops' relatives said Thursday.

The soldiers refused an order on Wednesday to go to Taji, Iraq ? north of Baghdad ? because their vehicles were considered "deadlined" or extremely unsafe, said Patricia McCook of Jackson, wife of Sgt. Larry O. McCook.

Sgt. McCook, a deputy at the Hinds County Detention Center, and the 16 other members of the 343rd Quartermaster Company from Rock Hill, S.C., were read their rights and moved from the military barracks into tents, Patricia McCook said her husband told her during a panicked phone call about 5 a.m. Thursday.
The platoon could be charged with the willful disobeying of orders, punishable by dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of pay and up to five years confinement, said military law expert Mark Stevens, an associate professor of justice studies at Wesleyan College in Rocky Mount, N.C.

No military officials were able to confirm or deny the detainment of the platoon Thursday.

U.S. Rep. Bennie Thompson said he plans to submit a congressional inquiry today on behalf of the Mississippi soldiers to launch an investigation into whether they are being treated improperly.

"I would not want any member of the military to be put in a dangerous situation ill-equipped," said Thompson, who was contacted by families. "I have had similar complaints from military families about vehicles that weren't armor-plated, or bullet-proof vests that are outdated. It concerns me because we made over $150 billion in funds available to equip our forces in Iraq.

"President Bush takes the position that the troops are well-armed, but if this situation is true, it calls into question how honest he has been with the country," Thompson said.

The 343rd is a supply unit whose general mission is to deliver fuel and water. The unit includes three women and 14 men and those with ranking up to sergeant first class.

"I got a call from an officer in another unit early (Thursday) morning who told me that my husband and his platoon had been arrested on a bogus charge because they refused to go on a suicide mission," said Jackie Butler of Jackson, wife of Sgt. Michael Butler, a 24-year reservist. "When my husband refuses to follow an order, it has to be something major."

The platoon being held has troops from Alabama, Kentucky, North Carolina, Mississippi and South Carolina, said Teresa Hill of Dothan, Ala., whose daughter Amber McClenny is among those being detained.

McClenny, 21, pleaded for help in a message left on her mother's answering machine early Thursday morning.

"They are holding us against our will," McClenny said. "We are now prisoners."

McClenny told her mother her unit tried to deliver fuel to another base in Iraq Wednesday, but was sent back because the fuel had been contaminated with water. The platoon returned to its base, where it was told to take the fuel to another base, McClenny told her mother.

The platoon is normally escorted by armed Humvees and helicopters, but did not have that support Wednesday, McClenny told her mother.

The convoy trucks the platoon was driving had experienced problems in the past and were not being properly maintained, Hill said her daughter told her.

The situation mirrors other tales of troops being sent on missions without proper equipment.

Aviation regiments have complained of being forced to fly dangerous missions over Iraq with outdated night-vision goggles and old missile-avoidance systems. Stories of troops' families purchasing body armor because the military didn't provide them with adequate equipment have been included in recent presidential debates.

Patricia McCook said her husband, a staff sergeant, understands well the severity of disobeying orders. But he did not feel comfortable taking his soldiers on another trip.

"He told me that three of the vehicles they were to use were deadlines ... not safe to go in a hotbed like that," Patricia McCook said.

Hill said the trucks her daughter's unit was driving could not top 40 mph.

"They knew there was a 99 percent chance they were going to get ambushed or fired at," Hill said her daughter told her. "They would have had no way to fight back."

Kathy Harris of Vicksburg is the mother of Aaron Gordon, 20, who is among those being detained. Her primary concern is that she has been told the soldiers have not been provided access to a judge advocate general.

Stevens said if the soldiers are being confined, law requires them to have a hearing before a magistrate within seven days.

Harris said conditions for the platoon have been difficult of late. Her son e-mailed her earlier this week to ask what the penalty would be if he became physical with a commanding officer, she said.

But Nadine Stratford of Rock Hill, S.C., said her godson Colin Durham, 20, has been happy with his time in Iraq. She has not heard from him since the platoon was detained.

"When I talked to him about a month ago, he was fine," Stratford said. "He said it was like being at home."
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 10:53 am
Oh my.
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Einherjar
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 11:20 am
Quote:
Stories of troops' families purchasing body armor because the military didn't provide them with adequate equipment have been included in recent presidential debates.


Which debate was that? I saw them all, and I think I would have remembered this.
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squinney
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 11:24 am
I believe it was the first debate regarding lack of preperation and planning on Bush's part, the money alotted not being spent in a timely way to protect our troops.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 11:28 am
MY PREDICTION...

...things in Iraq will continue to deteriorate and there will be damn near no sustained positive news EVER.

This is the dumbest move any American president has ever made...and considering the lessons we supposedly learned in Vietnam, it is goddam near to treason.

If the congressional Republicans thought it necessary to impeach Bill Clinton because he enjoyed getting blowed...and lied about it...they ought to be planning to lynch Bush without a trial.

This misadventure, my friends, is gonna be worse than Vietnam.

I'm not gloating...I despise that I feel as I do; but the signs are all there for anyone to read.

We are in deep Cheney here!
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Einherjar
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 11:29 am
Ah, yes i remember that.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 11:32 am
Frank Apisa wrote:
MY PREDICTION...

...things in Iraq will continue to deteriorate and there will be damn near no sustained positive news EVER.

This is the dumbest move any American president has ever made...and considering the lessons we supposedly learned in Vietnam, it is goddam near to treason.

If the congressional Republicans thought it necessary to impeach Bill Clinton because he enjoyed getting blowed...and lied about it...they ought to be planning to lynch Bush without a trial.

This misadventure, my friends, is gonna be worse than Vietnam.

I'm not gloating...I despise that I feel as I do; but the signs are all there for anyone to read.

We are in deep Cheney here!


Frank gets it....
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roger
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 12:48 pm
Too bad the troops didn't get to vote on taking the Normandy beachhead. All contested amphibious are obviously suicidal.

Not to change the subject, of course.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 08:57 pm
Wrong war roger.

When we attacked Normandy we had a Commander in Chief that earned the full respect and support of the American people. There was a clear plan to win and troop moral was high.

Iraq is much more "Apocalypse Now" than it is "Saving Private Ryan".
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roger
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2004 11:40 pm
Same principle. Soldiers don't vote on orders.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sat 16 Oct, 2004 12:09 am
I agree with you.

These soldiers have a responsibility to obey any order that is not illegal or immoral. From what I know of the story, they were not justified in refusing a mission. A soldier is not expected to put their mission over self-preservation.

But that is not my point.

This simply wouldn't have happened in WWII. The public was convinced that the war in Europe was necessary and just. The soldiers and the country at large were fully behind their commander in chief. If by some chance it did happen, it would never make the news, except maybe as a story of soldiers who were justly and harshly punished.

I am not saying that what these soldiers did was excusable, but that this happened illustrates a real weakness in the current administration.

These soldiers are clearly not feeling very high morale. It is more evidence that the rosy picture of high morale in general is perhaps a wee bit exagerrated by the Bush propaganda.

The administration has put the army brass in an uncomfortable situation. What are they going to do? Discipline these soldiers and Bush faces election problems. The public support for the administration and the war is getting mighty soft. Is it wrong to expect the public will support these soldiers given they weren't provided the equipment they needed to feel ready for the mission?

This is just another episode of the quagmire that is now Iraq. What a mess. That's all there is to say.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 16 Oct, 2004 01:30 am
he has a point....
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roger
 
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Reply Sat 16 Oct, 2004 02:54 am
Oh, well if you put it like that you do have a point. Leadership and motivation from the top has definately been absent. So has maintenance on the convoy's vehicles. Yet, all else being even roughly equal, armies comprised of soldiers who follow orders are usually more successful than those that aren't.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 16 Oct, 2004 03:26 am
Lol - I meant YOU did, Roger!

But - ebrown does too...
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roger
 
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Reply Sat 16 Oct, 2004 03:45 am
I had considered the possibility, but examples are statistically insignificant.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 16 Oct, 2004 04:17 am
Grrrrrrrrrrr!

lol....

But - this is a very serious thing.

Mind you - as I recall, there was some similar behaviour in WW I - including shooting Officers?????? (Not hard to do when infantry are charging)
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 16 Oct, 2004 07:52 am
Hopefully the American public will vote to get rid of the infection that perpetrated this situation. Committing our nation to the wrong war at the wrong time. And sending insufficient troops to fight it without a plan and ill equipped.
Bush likes the tittle of commander in chief. It makes the coward feel macho. This commander in chief sent our troops to fight and die in an unnecessary war. One con only be left with the question why?
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 16 Oct, 2004 08:01 am
It should be note that these troops were not part of the volunteer army but a reserve outfit. I wonder if the moral in reserve and national guard outfits is the same as those in the professional service outfits. Some how I doubt it.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 16 Oct, 2004 08:07 am
New York Times has a story:
(Full story http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/16/international/middleeast/16platoon.html?ex=1255665600&en=22c4c8b83ded9ea2&ei=5088&partner=rssn )

Inquiry Opens After Reservists Balk in Baghdad
By NEELA BANERJEE and ARIEL HART

Published: October 16, 2004


he Army is investigating members of a Reserve unit in Iraq who refused to deliver a fuel shipment north of Baghdad under conditions they considered unsafe, the Pentagon and relatives of the soldiers said Friday. Several soldiers called it a "suicide mission," relatives said.


Some 18 members of the 343rd Quartermaster Company, based in Rock Hill, S.C., were detained at gunpoint for nearly two days after disobeying orders to drive trucks that they said had not been serviced and were not being escorted by armed vehicles to Taji, about 15 miles north of Baghdad, relatives said after speaking to some of the soldiers.

Jackie Butler of Jackson, Miss., the wife of Staff Sgt. Michael Butler, 44, said she was awakened about 5:30 or 6 a.m. Thursday by a call from an officer from Iraq. He told her "that my husband was being detained for disobeying a direct order," Ms. Butler said, "and he went on to tell me that it was a bogus charge that they got against him and some of those soldiers over there, because what they was doing was sending them into a suicide mission, and they refused to go."

A senior Army officer said that 19 soldiers from the unit had been assembled Wednesday morning to deliver fuel but that some had refused to go. He denied they had been held under guard.

The officer said the soldiers raised "some valid concerns."

"Unfortunately it appears that a small number of the soldiers involved chose to express their concerns in an inappropriate manner," said the officer, who discussed the preliminary findings only on the condition of anonymity. Insubordination in wartime is a grave offense, and an inquiry is under way, the officer said, to determine if the Uniform Code of Military Justice was violated and whether disciplinary measures were warranted.

It is unclear if this is the first time a group of soldiers in Iraq has refused to carry out orders, and the military is playing down the incident as an isolated event. But the small rebellion suggests that problems linger with outfitting soldiers with adequate equipment in an increasingly dangerous country.

"I know soldiers are deeply concerned and have been deeply concerned about the equipment shortages," said Paul Rieckhoff, who was an Army lieutenant in Iraq for almost a year, until February this year, and is now executive director of Operation Truth, a New York advocacy group working to draw attention to the needs of soldiers in Iraq and returning veterans.

"When you don't have proper equipment, you feel vulnerable," Mr. Rieckhoff said. "We haven't evolved quickly enough to meet the enemy threat, which is rocket-propelled grenades and roadside bombs."

On average, American soldiers were attacked 87 times a day in August, the latest figures available, a sharp increase from a year earlier. In September, 41 soldiers died from rocket attacks and gunfire, up from 11 a year earlier.

The incident, which was first reported in The Clarion-Ledger in Jackson, Miss., where several of the soldiers live, apparently began after the company tried to deliver a shipment of fuel to a base, but was turned away because the fuel was unusable, according to family members.

According to relatives and the Army officer, they returned to their base in Tallil, where they were told to deliver the fuel to Taji. The group refused, citing the poor condition of their vehicles and the lack of an armed escort, family members said. American convoys, which are usually accompanied by armored cars and sometimes by aircraft, are often attacked by insurgents.

"Yesterday we refused to go on a convoy to Taji," Specialist Amber McClenny, 21, said in a message she left on the answering machine of her mother, Teresa Hill, in Dothan, Ala. "We had broken-down trucks, nonarmored vehicles. We were carrying contaminated fuel."...........
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 16 Oct, 2004 10:24 am
This may be somewhat of a digression. However, a substantial number of troops now on duty in Iraq come from the reserves and national guard. I wonder at the extent of their military training. Aside from those who have been in service prior to joining those two branches of the service I would imagine very little. Two weeks in summer camp each year and once a month meetings does not a trained soldier make.
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