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Many are going to regret their vote for Trump

 
 
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2016 01:45 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

You give the Don waaaaaaay too much credit for influence.

From day one, everybody has been underestimating this guy's influence and potential for malfeasance. I hope I am wrong but I can see the wolves salivating on these sites. As you said yourself, the nation is already deeply fractured. All it would take is a little more fanning.
Builder
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2016 01:46 am
@Olivier5,
You've not offended me at all.

I'm quite chuffed that you've turned up to get the ball rolling again here.
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Builder
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2016 01:53 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
As you said yourself, the nation is already deeply fractured. All it would take is a little more fanning.


Our western society has never been more divided, though not along the lines you'd imagine. In a time when there's plenty for everybody, artificial shortages and times of want are imposed by those who choose to use their position of power to control and subjugate.

There's so much that we're not seeing, that this whole argument about HRC or DT is such a waste of our time.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2016 04:02 am
@nimh,
That's what they do. Why should Muslims have to spend all day condemning terrorist attacks anyway? Who else does that?

Btw, Gooey was asked point blank if he would condemn the shooting at Sandy Hook, he refused. That's the sort of person he is.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2016 04:15 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Exactly how has he fanned hatred since being elected?

Naming Bannon as his closest adviser, for one.
Builder
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2016 04:21 am
@Olivier5,
You'd have to expand on that for us.

Bannon who?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2016 04:34 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Oh, it could happen here, but the chance of it being Trump is microscopic. Regardless of what his intentions might be, the circumstances that give rise to the populace supporting dictators are not present.

For one, the populace support will not be required. All that any president needs to manipulate the system is access to all this cyber spying data. Like Hoover did with FBI files, at power 100... If any congressman stirs too much ****, he will be easily intimidated / blackmailed into submission. Information is power.

Look at the FBI's announcement that they were reopening their investigation into Clinton's email. There was absolutely nothing in there, it turned out, and yet that had a significant impact on the election.

For two, a good proportion of the people already accepts and welcomes the idea of dictatorship. Look at how a lot of people reacted to Snowden with a lynching instinct. They wanted him killed or arraigned, and cared not about what he was revealing. Look at Frugal here who thinks that democracy is mob rule. He is not the only one. Heck, look at yourself and how easily you argued that Californians do not deserve equal representation because they are "unique"...

There's no reason to assume Trump will use his vast powers benevolently. There are no workable checks and balances anymore. Many people are confused and angry. That's a powder keg.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2016 04:43 am
@ossobucotemp,
Muslims who vehemently oppose terrorism do expose themselves to retaliation, that's true.

What chronic 2 bass says in that vid goes well beyond a response to the argument that Muslims need to be vocal against terrorism. Because that latter argument is very weak: there's no reason to ask Muslims to oppose terror anymore than anybody else.

He is saying something much more radical: that Muslims are doomed unless they fight tooth and nail against the crazies among their communities, mosques, neighborhoods, etc. That Muslims need to report any fishy behavior to the police; that they need to beat the **** out of the extremists among them. Not just protest: fight. Because non-Muslims have no chance of success in that fight if the Muslims don't fight along their fellow citizens.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2016 05:00 am
@Builder,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2016 06:08 am
@Olivier5,
It's beyond irritating that people think this way. Bannon's crime so far is to have a different belief system than Establishment Democrats.

They are trying to recast him as a Nazi.

No one has proven anything about him that is worth all the noise.
giujohn
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2016 07:34 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

That's what they do. Why should Muslims have to spend all day condemning terrorist attacks anyway? Who else does that?

Btw, Gooey was asked point blank if he would condemn the shooting at Sandy Hook, he refused. That's the sort of person he is.


BTW, IZZY posts from inside
Broadmoor Hospital, a high-security psychiatric hospital at Crowthorne in Berkshire, England.


It's easy to say anything...Let's see your proof.
Frugal1
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2016 07:37 am
@giujohn,
Response moderated: Personal attack. See more info.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2016 11:12 am
@Frugal1,
You're still unable to address any of the points I raised. It's like talking to a backward child.
Frugal1
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2016 11:17 am
@izzythepush,
You failed to raise a valid point.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2016 11:17 am
@giujohn,
Condemn it now then, about three months too late, but better than nothing.

As for proof, you've never provided any reliable evidence for any of your nonsense.

You can't address any of the points made because you don't know how to. It's one of the many skill sets you lack. All you can do is repeat stuff you've been told to say by people marginally less stupid than you.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2016 11:18 am
@Frugal1,
Not one you'd understand, but still valid.
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ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2016 11:20 am
@Olivier5,
Me too, re fears for the U.S. and possibly a lot of the rest of the world.
Frugal1
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2016 11:29 am
Liberal progressive democrats are having the toughest time accepting their loss... their complete rejection. We should all fear reprisals from the intolerant left, but we need to remain on offense forever.
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ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2016 11:30 am
@Olivier5,
I read later that his facebook link to that video had 5 million clicks; not sure what the timing on that was, so it might be more by now.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2016 11:31 am
@Lash,
Cut on the hyperbole yourself. I never said he was a nazi. But Breibhart is clearly on right of the right, ultra pro Israel, anti-gay, anti-emigration, and not exactly the friends of socialists a la Bernie Sanders.
 

 
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