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Wow! New giant ape species found in the Congo??!!!

 
 
patiodog
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 03:08 pm
Aren't "poachers" and "villagers" generally the same folks? People already knew about the critters -- just not white folks.

Which isn't to say they and the rest of the nonhuman great apes won't be gone within a few decades...
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 03:12 pm
Well PD, it's possible the locals see them more as legends, hard to say. I define poacher as anyone who illegally takes game, out of season, using improper methods, or a protected species.

Ever state in the U.S. has a myriad of hunting laws designed to protect and maintain populations of game while providing a rich hunting experience for those willing. Who pays for enforcement? The hunters themselves.
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husker
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 03:13 pm
long as it's not huskerrilla

can anyone say bigFoot discovery pending Smile
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patiodog
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 03:13 pm
I mean, in the bushmeat trade, without access to the animals (via logging roads, generally), the only people killing the animals are those with immediate access to them.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 03:15 pm
Well, I hope these animals can be protected. My favorites at the zoo have always been the gorillas. Kinda sad that they're in the zoo, but they are fascinating to watch.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 03:18 pm
Ack - a lot of the poaching is not for bushmeat - it is for "trophies" for rich bastards - and illegal taking of babies for private "zoos" for rich bastards. And "bushmeat" as well, of course.

If only we could secure a low impact tourism that would give the local folk a livelihood!!!!
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patiodog
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 03:22 pm
dlowan wrote:
If only we could secure a low impact tourism that would give the local folk a livelihood!!!!


Where it's been done, this seems to require a stable and supportive government -- definitely not the situation in the Congo.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 04:48 pm
And get a hurry up folks. You can get a license to shoot a black rhino!!! Hurry, hurry - these ungrateful creatures plan to be extinct soon!! Roll up, before they're all gone!

Extinction is the ultimate thrill for the jaded sportsman








.....................................f*ckwits..............................................
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 05:12 pm
Actually, that doesn't sound like an extinction program, that sounds like a proper wildlife management program - true conservation in action. Let's hope they can administer it properly and use the funds generated to help the species and deter the poachers.
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littlek
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 11:16 pm
wow, deb, it's not such a small world after all.
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Badboy
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2004 07:10 am
They appear to be a rare form of Sch????????? Chimps because genetic testing proves this.

Mentioned in new scientist.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2004 02:18 pm
Link, Badboy?????
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2004 05:17 pm
Quote:
Ammann told how these apes would come face-to-face with their human cousins, stare intently in half-recognition, then slide away quietly.

No aggression, yet no fear either -- similar behaviour to chimpanzees.

Three years ago, an expedition to the region did not find any giant apes, but scientists discovered abandoned nests on swampy ground. Chimps sleep in trees. Gorillas build nests on the ground, but always well away from water and swamps.

Then Shelly Williams made her trip to the Bili region, where the apes were reputed to live. She saw and filmed them close up.

The large, black-faced apes are gorilla-like in some ways, but their bodies resemble chimps.

Williams also found and documented footprints and came across an old photograph of a dead ape-like creature captured by hunters. Scientists calculated that it weighed much more than the heaviest known chimp, which has been recorded at a weight of 70kg.

Williams concluded that these creatures could be a new subspecies of chimpanzee, a gorilla-chimp hybrid, or a new species.

It is possible, though unlikely, that chimps and gorillas could mate and produce viable offspring.

Hairs taken from the nesting sites have been tested and DNA evidence seems to point to the apes being a type of chimp.

But Williams points out that so far we only have very partial genetic evidence of what these animals are.

source
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2004 05:49 pm
If it looks like a gorilla (size) and acts like a gorilla (nesting etc) it probably is a gorilla. The only distinctive features mentioned in the article are its isolation from other gorilla populations and its diet. The first may be a recent phonomania due to increased human population and settlement in central Africa. The second, diet,may simply illustrate how little we know about gorillas, despite all the recent hoopla (Diane Fossy etc). Just as Bonobo's were found to be a subspecies of chimp, this may prove to something similar.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2004 06:45 pm
...and what happens if the natives kidnap the prettiest member of the research party, tie her to a tree and start chanting, 'Kong! Kong! KONG!!"?
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