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"The City Of Chicago Is Hurting"

 
 
Miller
 
Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2016 07:27 am
2 Brothers Charged in Murder of Dwyane Wade's Cousin

Both had criminal histories, were out on bail at time of shooting
By Newser Editors and Wire Services
Posted Aug 28, 2016 10:19 AM CDT

(Newser) – Chicago police say two brothers have been charged with first-degree murder in the shooting death of the cousin of NBA star Dwyane Wade as she was walking to register her children for school. Authorities say 26-year-old Darwin Sorrells Jr. and 22-year-old Derren Sorrells were charged Sunday in the death of Nykea Aldridge, reports the AP. Police say both brothers have criminal records and were on parole at the time of the shooting, reports NBC News. The 32-year-old mother of four was pushing a baby in a stroller near the school when two men walked up and fired shots at a third man but hit Aldridge in the head and arm. Police say she wasn't the intended target.

Wade tweeted Saturday that "The city of Chicago is hurting. We need more help& more hands on deck. Not for me and my family but for the future of our world. The YOUTH!" His mother, Pastor Jolinda Wade, said Friday that Aldridge "wasn't bothering anybody, just going to register her kids in school—and bullets that fly around and have no name decided to find its way to her head." A vigil is planned at the elder Wade's church on Sunday, notes NBC News. Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie T. Johnson plans to release more information at a news conference later Sunday. (Donald Trump took some heat over his tweets following Aldridge's murder.)
as she was walking to register her children for school. Authorities say 26-year-old Darwin Sorrells Jr. and 22-year-old Derren Sorrells were charged Sunday in the death of Nykea Aldridge, reports the AP. Police say both brothers have criminal records and were on parole at the time of the shooting, reports NBC News. The 32-year-old mother of four was pushing a baby in a stroller near the school when two men walked up and fired shots at a third man but hit Aldridge in the head and arm. Police say she wasn't the intended target.

Wade tweeted Saturday that "The city of Chicago is hurting. We need more help& more hands on deck. Not for me and my family but for the future of our world. The YOUTH!" His mother, Pastor Jolinda Wade, said Friday that Aldridge "wasn't bothering anybody, just going to register her kids in school—and bullets that fly around and have no name decided to find its way to her head." A vigil is planned at the elder Wade's church on Sunday, notes NBC News. Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie T. Johnson plans to release more information at a news conference later Sunday. (Donald Trump took some heat over his tweets following Aldridge's murder.)
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Miller
 
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2016 07:30 am
Since Jan. 6016, there have been more than 400 homicides in Chicago. So far, the homicide rate in Chicago has greatly surpassed the homicide rate of 20 16.

When will there be change?
Blickers
 
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2016 03:01 pm
@Miller,
They'll be change when the Midwest states stop listening to the NRA and enact tough gun control legislation. Chicago gun laws can't help much when the surrounding states make it easy to buy a handgun. New York is 3 times Chicago's population but because surrounding states have effective gun control laws, New York has fewer murders than Chicago.
Miller
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2016 09:09 am
@Blickers,
I've always suspected that most of the illegal gun traffic comes from Mexico.
Ditto for many of the street drugs.
Blickers
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2016 09:37 am
@Miller,
Probably not, we make the guns here in the US. At any rate, New York City, which is similar to Chicago in many many ways including ethnic makeup, has three times Chicago's population and fewer total murders. The reason is that the Northeast states like New Jersey also have strict gun laws, which chokes off most of the sources of guns being bought legally in one state, and turning up illegally in another state. Another reason is that Illinois laws don't carry big penalties for violation and can be gotten around.

From the NY Times:
Quote:
Chicago’s experience reveals the complications inherent in carrying out local gun laws around the nation. Less restrictive laws in neighboring communities and states not only make guns easy to obtain nearby, but layers of differing laws — local and state — make it difficult to police violations. And though many describe the local and state gun laws here as relatively stringent, penalties for violating them — from jail time to fines — have not proven as severe as they are in some other places, reducing the incentive to comply.

Lately, the police say they are discovering far more guns on the streets of Chicago than in the nation’s two more populous cities, Los Angeles and New York. They seized 7,400 guns here in crimes or unpermitted uses last year (compared with 3,285 in New York City), and have confiscated 574 guns just since Jan. 1 — 124 of them last week alone.

More than a quarter of the firearms seized on the streets here by the Chicago Police Department over the past five years were bought just outside city limits in Cook County suburbs, according to an analysis by the University of Chicago Crime Lab. Others came from stores around Illinois and from other states, like Indiana, less than an hour’s drive away. Since 2008, more than 1,300 of the confiscated guns, the analysis showed, were bought from just one store, Chuck’s Gun Shop in Riverdale, Ill., within a few miles of Chicago’s city limits.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2013/01/30/us/JP-CHICAGO-4/JP-CHICAGO-4-jumbo.jpg
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us/strict-chicago-gun-laws-cant-stem-fatal-shots.html

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Miller
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2016 09:44 am
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New York City, which is similar to Chicago in many many ways including ethnic makeup,


I've lived and worked in both Chicago and NYCity, and believe me they differ greatly in so many ways, besides ethnic makeup. Yikes, have you ever taken the L in Chicago? Compare that to the NYCity subway.

Chicago, at this time is about 33% white, 33$ black and 33 Hispanic.

NY is very, very diverse and has a cultural level, not surpassed anywhere in the US.

I love NEW YORK!!
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2016 06:51 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:
They'll be change when the Midwest states stop listening to the NRA and enact tough gun control legislation. Chicago gun laws can't help much when the surrounding states make it easy to buy a handgun. New York is 3 times Chicago's population but because surrounding states have effective gun control laws, New York has fewer murders than Chicago.

The answer to crime is not to violate civil rights.
Blickers
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2016 06:56 pm
@oralloy,
The country needs gun control legislation, especially handgun control legislation. The right to keep and bear arms does not mean that you can own any type of armament any time you want.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2016 07:59 pm
@Miller,
Miller wrote:
"The City Of Chicago Is Hurting"

You should see some of the murders we have in Michigan sometimes.

The Summer Olympics seems to be a particularly bad luck omen for Grand Rapids. This time around they got a 18-year-old white cheerleader strangled to death (allegedly) by her 16-year-old black half-brother who attended an alternative school for troubled youth. And back in 2010 the father of the family was sentenced to probation after pleading guilty to photographing her naked in the shower when she was 12.

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Needless to say the local media are all hysterical.

I hope they aren't pinning this on an innocent kid considering all the crap that's landing on him. If he is innocent, I hope that becomes clear sooner than later.

I'm glad I don't live in a city (or even a town or a village). Ugh. Humans.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2016 08:08 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:
The right to keep and bear arms does not mean that you can own any type of armament any time you want.

The government is only allowed to have a law that impacts a Constitutional right if there is a compelling public reason for having that law.

Gun control advocates continually press for laws that have no justification whatsoever, and are only meant to violate people's rights for the fun of it.

A great reason for voting for Trump is that he will protect us from the Democrats. He will not let our rights be violated.
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Miller
 
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Reply Tue 6 Sep, 2016 08:51 am
@oralloy,
Blickers wrote:

New York is 3 times Chicago's population but because surrounding states have effective gun control laws, New York has fewer murders than Chicago.


Size of Chicago's population vs size of New York City's is not that relevant to the discussion of murder in Chicago. When comparing ethnicity, New York has about 8 million Jewish individuals out a total count of about 10 million folks. In Chicago, the Jewish population is a strict minority.

From about 1960 to the present, the population of Chicago has changed from being a very Polish-American City ( one million +) to one, that consists of 1/3 Hispanic, 1/3 Black and 1/3 White. Chicago is in a perpetual state of migration, with City folks moving ( all the time) to the suburbs, to other Cities and even countries.

Besides this racial/ethnic population flux, there has been a steady decline in the number of Catholic Churchs and schools on the SouthSide and else where in the City. From an educational perspective, the Catholic Schools offered an excellent education for all kids, whether they could pay tuition or not. Also, whether they were Catholic or not... These schools are now gone. What's left are primarily the Public schools and the Charter schools.

In many parts of the Southside, empty Catholic Churchs and schools lay in ruin and decay...Even in several previous parts of the City formerly populated primarily by Jewish residents, Temples either lay empty, or have been converted to Black Churchs or even an Islamic Centers.

Many of the problems of inner City Chicago, stem from poverty, high unemployment, lack of strong educational opportunities, absence of fathers in the home, and the increasing number of single mother homes, often with the mother no-where in sight with the grandmother taking on the responsibilities of both father and mother.

An so on...As you can see ( hopefully) the problem of murder in Chicago is due to a multitude of things, besides whether a gun comes from Indiana, Iowa, NY or outer-space. Or if the gun is registered.

If guns weren't the cause of the murders, knives ( as often they are ) would be.
Blickers
 
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Reply Tue 6 Sep, 2016 10:50 am
@Miller,
Quote Miller:
Quote:
[Chicago] consists of 1/3 Hispanic, 1/3 Black and 1/3 White. Chicago is in a perpetual state of migration, with City folks moving ( all the time) to the suburbs, to other Cities and even countries.

New York City is in a perpetual state of migration as well, that's why the suburbs keep expanding-it's been that way for nearly 100 years. And Jews are not 8 Million out of New York's population of 10 Million, as you claim, for one thing New York City's population is only 8.5 Million. The major ethnic breakdown of New York City is as follows:

New York City
Non-Hispanic white..........35%
Hispanic...........................28%
African-American.............25%
Asian................................12%


This is not so different from Chicago at all, a breakdown of 35-28-25 is among whites, Hispanics and blacks is pretty close to 33-33-33 that Chicago has. The other issues you mentioned Chicago has, New York has too. Yet New York City is going to have fewer murders total than Chicago this year like every year in recent memory even though New York City has three times Chicag's population. It is because New York is surrounded by New Jersey, Connecticut and other Northeast states who take gun control very seriously. Chicago has strong gun laws, but it is surrounded by Midwest states whose laws are either less strong or not as strongly enforced.
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Tue 6 Sep, 2016 11:26 am
@Miller,
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New York has about 8 million Jewish individuals...


Shocked Really? Where are you getting this from? As of 2014 there weren't that many in the entire United States of America. Source: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/usjewpop.html

Further, if you list the entire population as approximaty 10 million for New York, this would mean many of the Asians, Hispanics and Blacks are Jewish. Makes me wonder who attends services in the Baptist, Presbyterian, Moravian, Episcopal, Methodist, A.M.E., Catholic and other churches, as well as those who go to the mosques and the Hindu temples.

Then again, facts aren't exactly your strong suit as that would interfere with your diatribes and delusions.
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Miller
 
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Reply Tue 6 Sep, 2016 05:39 pm
@oralloy,
As a young child growing up in Chicago, I used to attend a summer camp in Michigan. I had the greatest time, swimming, hiking and riding ( or trying to ride a horse).
One summer, the Camp owners took all the kids to the Michigan State fair. We had the greatest time, up-close and friendly with the farm animals.
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Miller
 
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Reply Tue 6 Sep, 2016 05:50 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

The answer to crime is not to violate civil rights.


Very true. The answer to crime may be to attempt to correct the sources in society that have lead to crime, while safe guarding civil rights. I mentioned above, that the crime and migration of Afro-Americans in the City of Chicago, was , at least in part, due to the high rates of unemployment in the Black communities (starting with the closing of the steel mills on the SouthEast side of Chicago and of course, the transfer of the Chicago Stock Yards from Chicago).

Unemployment was then combined with the closure of many public housing complexes in Chicago and the inability of many families to find affordable housing in Chicago.

One thing always seems to lead to something else in a long, non-ending
chain of events.
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