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Burkinis at the Beach: Yay or nay?

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2016 12:29 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Check with the OP. He's the one who brought it up.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2016 12:36 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Check with the OP. He's the one who brought it up.
You asked the question.

Honestly, I saw the a nun in a swimsuit the first time about 55 years ago. I must have looked quite surprised because they asked me, if I really thought, they would swim in their habit.

Perhaps they did and do it France. And act against these stupid degrees.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2016 01:04 pm
@ehBeth,
Not only nuns were swimming in full habit at the Saundersfoot New Year's Day Swim 2011 (that's the source of that photo), but priests, bishops and even the pope, too (and the papamobile as well)
http://i65.tinypic.com/1z6d3qa.jpg
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2016 01:08 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Yes I did based on the OP's comment.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2016 01:22 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
http://news.trust.org/item/20160825150324-1y7bj

Quote:

LONDON, Aug 25 (Reuters) - Some 35 Muslim and non-Muslim women held a beach party demonstration outside the French embassy in London on Thursday, protesting against a ban on burkinis enforced in some coastal towns in France.

Wearing bikinis and burkinis, the women sat on a pile of sand and played with beach balls in front of the embassy, some holding signs reading "Islamophobia is not freedom" and "Let them wear what they want".

The protest was organised by two friends following the publication of a photograph of armed French police apparently telling a woman sitting on a beach to remove part of her burkini.

"It is never right to tell a woman what she can wear or to take her clothes off. That is not for a man to say," India Thorogood, one of the organisers, said.

"We wanted to show solidarity with Muslim women in France and call for a repeal of the ban."





http://static.standard.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/08/25/07/wearwhatyouwant2.jpg

Very Happy
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saab
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2016 01:49 pm
I saw - to my big suprise - that in Sweden some people seriously want to swim in their cloths.
I can´t see why. It is dangerous as cloths drags you down.
Swimming in the ocean or a lake during winter in wintercloth sounds kind of
stupid, but that is what some do.
http://fof.se/sites/fof.se/files/artikelbild/121032.jpg
Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2016 01:52 pm
@tsarstepan,
tsarstepan wrote:

Linkat wrote:

I don't see it as racism as wearing a burkini has to do with your religious belief not your race.

It's institutional racism. They're not banning nuns in full habits from enjoying the beach. Claiming this is merely antireligion is dismissive of the simple notion the policy is only enforced against Islamic woman (immigrants and family members of immigrants).

Where’s the Outrage Over Nun Beachwear?


It still isn't race - those wearing burkini do so because of their religion - not because they are of a particular race. There are people of various races for example that believe because of religious reasons to wear a burkini rather than a traditional bathing suit.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2016 01:54 pm
@saab,
At the Saundersfoot New Year's Day Swim hundreds of people (more than 1,500 every year) do it even in fancy dresses (for charity).
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2016 02:58 pm
Gosh but there is so much nonsense being thrown into this thread.

We all, except perhaps Walter, know that the ban on the Burkini has to do with the fact that Muslims wear them. It's not about some sort of anal retentive insistence on conformity for all (Well maybe in Germany it is, but still I doubt that).

Muslims have been singled out as respects this ban, and that is the premise upon which the OP has based his post.



Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2016 03:03 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Of course and no one I think is denying that - just that racism is thrown around for almost everything and it is clearly not racism - it is just as clear it is targeted at Muslims.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2016 06:22 pm
I found this blogpost http://debyclark.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/vintage-bathing-costumes-swimwear.html

And these bits from it resonated...
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In 1907, Australian swimming athlete Annette Kellerman was arrested for wearing a fitted one-piece swimsuit on the beach in Poland. Annette Kellerman has designed her famous swimsuit to allow for serious athletic swimming, unlike conventional women's swimwear of the period, but it’s form fitting appearance was considered indecent by some, and it also showed her arms, legs and neck. She changed the suit to have long arms and legs and a collar, but still kept the close fit that revealed the shapes underneath. She later starred in several movies, including one about her life, and marketed a line of bathing suits - known as "the Annette Kellerman," considered the most offensive style of swimsuit in the 1920s and the focus of censorship efforts.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yfNNrHGk-V0/UQsv1jiePII/AAAAAAAAFJM/w7ThsRmHx1k/s400/Annette_Kellerman1.jpg


In the early 1920s swimsuits still had to be of a suitable length - and you did get measured!
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-I46RP8OP124/UQs85SyilNI/AAAAAAAAFPI/PPbJtYKWnB4/s400/1920+Bathing-Suits.jpg

Here in North Queensland the only safe way to swim in summer is to wear stinger suits - swimwear that covers your whole body – much like Annettes Kellerman’s suit. Of course new materials, such as lycra, make these much more comfortable than Annette's suit would have been. The bonus is that they also protect you from the sun!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Glz8U8y-2MU/UQs-EYnOTWI/AAAAAAAAFQM/FmX9a0OQTdQ/s320/Women_Stinger_Suit_+_Hood_original_img_1313722917_0_.jpg



Also I shared this on FB

PS this tweet
Ally ‏@_AllysonMarie_ Aug 24
Just to be clear everyone, only ONE of these is illegal to wear on the beach in France, #BurkiniBan
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/be/a0/46/bea046a428718c095cb6929ab1616b14.jpg
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ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2016 06:41 pm
Aren't we talking here all for muslim women wearing burkinis at the beach if they wish? Maybe I missed something.

To me, the question is what the French government is up to.
I get their general secular take, but this is a leap too far if it is about that, in my opinion. Is this right wing France? (I'm clueless on that.)

I miss Olivier, have his private email but I can't do email right now. Grumble.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2016 12:34 am
@ossobucotemp,
https://images.scribblelive.com/2016/8/26/d14fa171-ffdb-48d1-babc-794ff3cf750d.gif
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2016 12:51 am
@ossobucotemp,
There had been similar outcries in 2009 (mainly in France, though), when many nudist beaches were closed by local decrees on many beaches at the Cote d'Azur and staying topless (females) on the beach was forbidden.

There's one close to Nice, in Ste Marguerite.
http://i64.tinypic.com/ap8cg5.jpg
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hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2016 01:05 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I've been trying to find this as a gif - even on the cartoonist's site it's set up as a vine like video - thanks!
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hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2016 01:12 am
still relevant
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/f4/85/bc/f485bcc2492ccfdef79b0ea7617c3dde.jpg
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2016 07:26 am
@hingehead,
France's top court stopped the burkini ban (in Villeneuve Loubet, but that decree has been the same as in other towns)
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2016 07:33 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The ruling of the Conseil d’Etat says that the decree is seriously aimed against several fundamental freedoms, like free movement, freedom of conscience and personal freedom, («l’arrêté litigieux a ainsi porté une atteinte grave et manifestement illégale aux libertés fondamentales que sont la liberté d’aller et venir, la liberté de conscience et la liberté personnelle.»).
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2016 08:07 am
@Walter Hinteler,
But again and after the decree dealt with today as after comparing it a few others: they are all very similar, but the wording of none makes a mention of a specific religion or type of clothing.

However, since the municipal administrations of the towns with such prohibitions have argued that burkinis pose a threat to public order after multiple terrorist attacks in France in the past months, including one in Nice .... honi soit qui mal y pense.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2016 08:39 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
On Friday afternoon, France’s highest administrative court suspended a burkini ban in the Côte d’Azur town of Villeneuve-Loubet. This will set a precedent for the other beach-spots, mostly on the Côte d’Azur, where local mayors had controversially issued decrees against full-body swimsuits. Those mayors will now have to decide whether to withdraw the decrees, or keep their bans in place and face further legal action from human rights groups.

The row has caused political divisions in France, with the Socialist prime minister, Manuel Valls, supporting the bans and his education minister, Najat Vallaud-Belkacem, saying they were “letting loose” racist rhetoric.


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http://i66.tinypic.com/21ozhw2.jpg

Source for all: The Guardian, Sadness, anger and fear: how Nice is responding to the burkini ban

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