ALLONS ENFANTS . . .

I am sorry to say, that as i submitted this post, i heard of the horrible news of a bloody attack in Nice.

'Terrorist attack' in Nice: truck hits Bastille Day crowd killing 77 people

I had debated whether to crash your thread with that news. There has to be an answer to insanity like this, but I haven't a notion at all what might help.

Education in general, will help. And teaching kids science instead of religion will help a lot. It would take a few generations to take hold, but it's really the only way to solve it on a permanent basis.

It is so sad that this has happened and on a day which should be a happy day
A day for "liberty, equality, fraternity"
The hate is not just a question of education and religion, but hate towards some who are different and power over others. Often it is also based on politics and wish for more power.
Science does not teach understanding for others, it does not teach empathy and it has nothing to do with getting to know other people.
Scientists also want power - "my knowledge is greater than yours"

According to a Danish paper the man was a looner and not really religious.
These people seem more like looners with no real friends and then they either
on their own like to kill or they contact groups.

podcast from this morning

both interviews have caused me to reflect

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the-current-for-july-15-2016-1.3680376/attack-in-nice-why-is-france-targeted-1.3680387

From another Danish newspaper
France is especially targeted because it is an anti religious state.
This says Jörn Boisen - from Kopenhagens University and who research French history and society.
France is very hard regarding keeping religion our. Very clearly in the schoolsystem, where any form of religious signs have to be removed before the students enter school, he says.
This makes the Muslim feel very subdued or inhibited.
Frankrig er særlig udsat for terrorangreb, fordi det er en antireligiøs stat.

Det siger Jørn Boisen, der er leder på Institut for Engelsk, Germansk og Romansk på Københavns Universitet, og som forsker i fransk historie og samfund.

- Frankrig holder meget håndfast al religion ude fra den måde, staten drives på. Det mest markante er i det offentlige skolesystem, hvor alle tegn på religiøsitet skal afdækkes, inden eleverne kommer i skole, siger han.

Der er blandt andet et forbud mod tørklæde.

Interesting, to me:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/15/nice-france-muslim-leaders-are-heartsick-and-furious.html

(not too long a read, and worth a good look)

I read about him in another paper, that he drinks wine, eat pork and has a criminal record. He is aggresive.

There is similar scorn about Diaby too (the guy who is no longer dead).

I wish Olivier were still here on A2K... I can't email him since my yahoo and gmail are defunct, at least for now. (I need a new device, which I'm saving up for.)

I know a bunch here didn't like him, but he is quite knowledgeable on a lot of these matters.

I agree that this guy was a loner. Neither al Qaeda nor Islamic State rushed to claim responsibility, so i think they were taken by surprise, too.

You can PM him here on a2k. I believe he gets an email notification when he receives a PM. He recently answered a PM that I sent him.