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Who actually wrote the Bible?

 
 
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jun, 2016 09:27 am
@BroRando,
BroRando wrote:

Though the earth hangs upon nothing, it's foundations will not be made to totter, for the unchangeable laws governing the universe hold it firmly in place, and God’s purpose toward the earth has remained unchanged. We see patterns that are being duplicated.

Remember, these scriptures exsisted way before science was able to discern them. In most cases, unknowingly. "Do you know the laws governing the heavens, Or can you impose their authority on the earth?" (Job 38:33)

"He has established the earth on its foundations; It will not be moved from its place forever and ever." (Psalms 104:5)

Unless God screws with them the way Joshua describes, right?
BroRando
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jun, 2016 04:20 pm
@InfraBlue,
I don't think anyone here is forcing you to believe in the Bible.
Freddie2
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jun, 2016 06:49 pm
@BroRando,
I second that!
Jay2know
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2016 06:30 am
@Freddie2,
Here! Here! Just atheists deny the bible and believe they came from monkeys don't mean that to act like one.
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Charlie4U
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2016 07:01 am
@InfraBlue,
You would think Scientists would understand that the earth hangs upon nothing. Look at the moon it's hanging upon nothing. Monkeys always had trouble reasoning. Another banana anyone?
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Expert2
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2016 04:02 pm
All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,
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AugustineBrother
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2016 10:49 am
@BroRando,
The Bible is the Word of God as conveyed by the writers under Divine Inspiration. If you don't know what the Bible can tell you then you have not read it, for it is quite clear on that point. Errors are a matter of who is conveying the message AND what is being conveyed. I often use the example of the Biologist at dinner, who says 'Pass the vegetables' about what he knows are not vegetables.

The following are technically fruits: avocado, beans, peapods, corn kernels, cucumbers, grains, nuts, olives peppers, pumpkin, squash, sunflower seeds and tomatoes. Vegetables include celery (stem), lettuce (leaves), cauliflower and broccoli (buds), and beets, carrots and potatoes (roots).

But is he speaking as a Biologist or as something else? And what is it he is trying to convey (to non-Biologists)?
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JehovahLoves
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Reply Thu 28 Jul, 2016 07:57 pm
2 Timothy 3:16 states that "all scripture is inspired of God".
Imagine this: you have a secretary write down everything you want in letter for someone, are those her words or your words?
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AugustineBrother
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2016 12:25 pm
@Leadfoot,
No, you go down the same stupid road that Cicerone does.

The question is solely one of Did Jesus establish a Church?

A contradiction, whether translation or not, is a judgment about an existing Faith, a Faith that precedes the Bible. The Jews got their Faith from Moses and what was handed down, the Bible was later. The Christians got their faith from Jesus and what was handed down from the Apostles, the NT was later.


On Christian Doctrine (De Doctrina Christiana), Augustine

" we are all free to read Scripture and take from the text whatever the Holy Spirit inspires for our good. But we must neither claim to know the author’s intention nor assert a universal and definitive meaning of any text. The former is known only by the Holy Spirit. The latter belongs to the Church alone."
AugustineBrother
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2016 12:28 pm
@BroRando,
YOu love science but you are incaplable of marrying her.

Science repudiates totally your view of its accomplishments:

"a series of observations which at one time were held to be important scientific facts, were a few years later completely discredited and committed to oblivion, without ever having been disproved or indeed newly tested, simply because the conceptual framework of science had meanwhile so altered that the facts no longer appeared credible." Michael Polanyi

I hold that the propositions embodied in natural science are not derived by any definite rule from the data of experience, and that they can neither be verified nor falsified by experience according to any definite rule.
Michael Polanyi

No inanimate object is ever fully determined by the laws of physics and chemistry.
Michael Polanyi

So long as we use a certain language, all questions that we can ask will have to be formulated in it and will thereby confirm the theory of the universe which is implied in the vocabulary and structure of the language.
Michael Polanyi
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AugustineBrother
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2016 12:29 pm
@TomTomBinks,
"a series of observations which at one time were held to be important scientific facts, were a few years later completely discredited and committed to oblivion, without ever having been disproved or indeed newly tested, simply because the conceptual framework of science had meanwhile so altered that the facts no longer appeared credible." Michael Polanyi
TomTomBinks
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2016 06:38 am
@AugustineBrother,
Your post is irrelevant to the conversation.
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2016 07:34 am
@AugustineBrother,
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@Leadfoot,
No, you go down the same stupid road that Cicerone does.

The question is solely one of Did Jesus establish a Church?

A contradiction, whether translation or not, is a judgment about an existing Faith, a Faith that precedes the Bible. The Jews got their Faith from Moses and what was handed down, the Bible was later. The Christians got their faith from Jesus and what was handed down from the Apostles, the NT was later.


On Christian Doctrine (De Doctrina Christiana), Augustine

" we are all free to read Scripture and take from the text whatever the Holy Spirit inspires for our good. But we must neither claim to know the author’s intention nor assert a universal and definitive meaning of any text. The former is known only by the Holy Spirit. The latter belongs to the Church alone."

Not sure what you were responding to (quoting helps) but I'm thinking 'the church' means two very different things to you and I. The Church is the body of those who know God, made possible in this day by his son.

No man should ever yield the final authority to know God and his Son to any man but himself. Who do you invite in when you enter your closet to pray?
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Meem
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2017 01:57 pm
Some 40+ men did. Moses, David, Isaiah, Daniel, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul etc.

God chose and directed faithful men to pen down His words.
So, "all Scripture is inspired of God” (2 Tim 3:16)

Though attempts to change God's word has happened (like removing His personal name) He has made sure that there are reliable copies of it. He is the Almighty and it is His word.

Sincerely Meem
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Meem
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2017 02:45 pm
Some 40+ men did. Moses, David, Isaiah, Daniel, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul etc.

God chose and directed faithful men to pen down His words.
So, "all Scripture is inspired of God” (2 Tim 3:16)

Though attempts to change God's word has happened (like removing His personal name) He has made sure that there are reliable copies of it. He is the Almighty and it is His word.

John 17:17 " ...your word is truth."

Sincerely Meem
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