TomTomBinks
 
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Reply Thu 12 May, 2016 10:49 pm
@svervelde,
What Ehbeth said!
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svervelde
 
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Reply Fri 13 May, 2016 11:30 am
@ehBeth,
So then do you believe people are born 100% moral.
Ragman
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2016 08:04 am
@svervelde,
People (the survivors of childbirth) are born 100% alive..with no inherent morality. That is the job or parents and then later on possibly the teachers. Morality is (hopefully) taught at home..and is quite relative and culturally influenced. Organized religion is one possible source of learning morality but there are others and some are better and some are worse.

Sometimes those lessons stick and sometimes not. There are no absolutes or perfection.
Homosexuality is not a choice..and homosexuality is just as moral as any other lifestyle - not more and not any less.
svervelde
 
  0  
Reply Thu 19 May, 2016 08:11 pm
@Ragman,
I believe it is a choice. What gene from your parents is the homo gene? With your logic that means that if you commit a crime like rape it's alright because it's what you've learned. And if the people you learned from think it's alright you should walk free. With what you just said, this means that morality is relative and there are no standards and anything goes. And you can't be punished or disciplined for anything.
engineer
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2016 08:14 pm
@svervelde,
svervelde wrote:

I believe it is a choice.

Based on what? Have you ever asked a homosexual about it. Do you choose who you find sexually attractive?
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2016 08:17 pm
@svervelde,
What an odd question.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2016 08:38 pm
@svervelde,
svervelde wrote:
morality is relative


true enough

next
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svervelde
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 08:22 am
@engineer,
Like I said before there isn't a homo gene so how is it possible to be born a homosexual, and yes, you do choose who you find sexually attractive.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 09:34 am
@svervelde,
try again

http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/10443/20141118/homosexuality-genetic-strongest-evidence.htm

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/10/homosexuality-may-be-caused-chemical-modifications-dna

http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-genetic-homosexuality-nature-nurture-20151007-story.html

fascinating new direction of study

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/04/160412132621.htm

Quote:
Prevalence of homosexuality in men is stable throughout time since many carry the genes


Computer model sheds light on how male homosexuality remains present in populations throughout the ages


Date:
April 12, 2016
Source:
Springer

Summary:
Around half of all heterosexual men and women potentially carry so-called homosexuality genes that are passed on from one generation to the next. This has helped homosexuality to be present among humans throughout history, even though homosexual men normally do not have many descendants who can directly inherit their genes.


Quote:
According to previous research, sexual orientation is influenced to a degree by genetic factors and is therefore heritable. Chaladze says this poses a problem from an evolutionary perspective, because homosexual men tend not to have many offspring to whom they can provide their genetic material. In fact, they have on average five times fewer children than their heterosexual counterparts.

Chaladze used an individual-based genetic model to explain the stable, yet persistent, occurrence of homosexuality within larger populations. He took into account findings from recent studies that show that homosexual men tend to come from larger families. These suggest that the genes responsible for homosexuality in men increase fecundity (the actual number of children someone has) among their female family members, who also carry the genes. Other reports also suggest that many heterosexual men are carriers of the genes that could predispose someone to homosexuality.

Based on Chaladze's calculations, male homosexuality is maintained in a population at low and stable frequencies if half of the men and roughly more than half of the women carry genes that predispose men to homosexuality.

"The trend of female family members of homosexual men to have more offspring can help explain the persistence of homosexuality, if we also consider that those males who have such genes are not always homosexuals," says Chaladze.

The possibility that many heterosexual men are carriers can also explain why estimates of the number of men who have reported any same-sex sexual behavior and same-sex sexual attraction are much higher than estimates of those who self-identify as homosexual or bisexual. According to Chaladze, non-homosexual male carriers might sometimes manifest interest in homosexual behavior without having a homosexual identity.

The possibility that a large percentage of heterosexual people are carriers of genetic material predisposing to homosexuality has implications for genomic studies. Researchers should therefore consider including participants who do not have homosexual relatives in such studies.
engineer
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 10:19 am
@svervelde,
So you could choose to be sexually attracted to a man (assuming you are male)? Why don't you try that? My guess is that when you see a man walk by, you don't even notice, but when you see a woman walk by, all those sensors in your hind brain fire off and you notice. Not that you ever talk to her or behave in any overt manner, but you notice. Do you think you can turn that off? Do you think you can turn that portion on for men?
svervelde
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 11:13 am
@engineer,
You are not making logical sense, the point is you can choose to be a homosexual or not to be, you can choose to be a murder or not to be.
engineer
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 11:40 am
@svervelde,
You are trying really hard to duck the question. You cannot choose who your brain finds sexually attractive. You are saying you can, so try it. Pay attention to who your brain fires on. You have absolutely no control. You can choose how you act on that attraction, but the attraction (or lack of it) is there in the first second. I have asked you if you ever asked a homosexual about this (another duck on your part.) I think you would find it enlightening. You think people choose to be ostracized, harassed, beaten, kicked out of their families. If you actually ask someone who knows, they would tell you there is no choice at all.

Oh and comparing murder to homosexuality is pretty low. Not very Christian.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 11:47 am
@svervelde,
svervelde wrote:

I believe it is a choice.


how do you choose who to be sexually attracted to?

___

make it a test for yourself.

choose to be sexually attracted to the very next human you see
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momoends
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2016 12:45 am
@svervelde,
do you really think i would willingly choose to be part of a discriminated group of society, to have my rights severed significantly, to be called names by some religious communities and be downgraded as a person to a pederast level? what do you think? wouldn´t you choose the easiest an happiest opcion?
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anthony1312002
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2016 08:16 am
@svervelde,
Really 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 clearly answers that question where it states:

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "9 Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom."
TomTomBinks
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2016 09:21 am
@ehBeth,
I remember reading about a study many years ago. It had to do with overpopulation and was conducted with rats. They found that when population density reached a certain level there was a marked increase in several behaviors; violent behavior, confrontations that resulted in death, depression, and homosexuality.
I never really thought about it until reading your post, but what if these behaviors are nature's safeguards against overpopulation?
Populations are usually controlled by disease, predation and limited resources, but if these fail there is a back up. Possibly somewhere deep in our brains these behaviors lurk until some outside stimulus triggers them and then they serve their purpose.
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2016 09:35 am
@anthony1312002,
Quote:
Really 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 clearly answers that question where it states:

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "9 Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom."
So since it doesn't mention women, lesbians are OK.

That's how silly it is to define things by every word written.
momoends
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2016 10:08 am
@Leadfoot,
Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing that was my answer to another one posting the same passage
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anthony1312002
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2016 03:55 pm
@Leadfoot,
Really there would be no need to do so since the acts listed would also apply to females.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2016 05:49 pm
@anthony1312002,
females are not men
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