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Two Russian passenger jets crash

 
 
sozobe
 
Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2004 08:40 pm
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/08/24/russia.planecrash/index.html

Tuesday, August 24, 2004 Posted: 10:28 PM EDT (0228 GMT)

MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- Two passenger jetliners have crashed over Russia in nearly simultaneous incidents, with as many as 94 people feared killed.

A ministry spokeswoman said the wreckage of one jet was found ablaze in the Tula region, about 160 kilometers (100 miles) south of Moscow.

Search and rescue teams were at the site searching for possible survivors, but the ministry said none of the 34 passengers and eight-member crew are believed to have survived.

The wreckage of the second jetliner has also been found, Russian state television reported early Wednesday, citing aviation officials. It was reported missing minutes after the first crash.

They did not say whether any survivors were found.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered security services to launch an immediate investigation, Russian news agencies reported early Wednesday.

The flights took off from Moscow within minutes of each other Tuesday night and were bound for cities in southern Russia.

Witnesses reported seeing the first plane explode before it crashed, the Russian news agency Interfax reported.

The government-run news agency Ria Novosti reported that the plane's wreckage was in two separate locations.

The second plane, carrying with between 46 and 52 people on board, was about 100 miles (160 kilometers) from Rostov-on-Don when it dropped off radar screens.

The first plane disappeared from radar at 10:56 p.m. (0756 GMT), the news agency said.

The Tupolev-134 had taken off from Moscow's Domodedovo Airport and was en route to Volgograd, in southern Russia.

The second plane, a Tupolev-154, disappeared from radar at 10:59 p.m. after having taken off from the same airport en route to Sochi, a tourist resort on the Black Sea in southern Russia, the ministry spokeswoman reported.

The Tupolev-154 is a standard medium-range airliner on domestic flights in Russia, according to aviation websites.

Russian authorities offered no explanations for the crashes but said they had increased security at airports following an explosion at a Moscow bus station earlier Tuesday, which injured three people.

"If this were just one, you would look toward some sort of aircraft issue," Peter Goelz, a former managing director of the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board, told CNN.

"But with two of them going down so close together, it's awfully ominous."

The incidents also took place just days before a regional election in the rebellious southern territory of Chechnya, where Russian troops have battled separatist guerrillas for five years.

Chechen separatists have been blamed for numerous bombings and other attacks in Russia in recent years, including the seizure of hundreds of hostages at a Moscow theater that ended with more than 100 hostages dead.
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Adrian
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2004 11:01 pm
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A Russian plane that went missing around the time another jet crashed issued a signal indicating a hijacking before disappearing from radar, the Interfax news agency quoted an unnamed government source as saying today.

The signal came at 11.04 pm yesterday (0504 AEST today) from the Tu-154 airliner that went missing in southern Russia's Rostov region, Interfax quoted the source in Russia's ``power structures'' as saying.

Emergency workers were still searching for the plane hours after it disappeared from radar screens on a flight from Moscow to the Black Sea resort city of Sochi.

The source said the signal was activated shortly before the plane disappeared.


source.

Hmmm....
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doglover
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2004 11:06 pm
I'm thinking this could be a terrorist attack.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2004 11:35 pm
The two aircraft may have fallen victim to an attack by militants linked to a bloody uprising in the southern republic of Chechnya, it is thought.
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Thok
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2004 01:11 am
In all probability this could be a attack.
In Chechnya there is upcoming elections.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2004 05:35 am
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"According to a preliminary conclusion made by the investigation teams which are working at the sites of the crashes, no signs of terrorist acts or explosions have been found," FSB spokesman, Sergey Ignatchenko, told Itar-Tass news agency.

"Several theories are being considered, the main one is illegal interference into the work of civil aviation."


However, air experts doubt any accident theory.
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Thok
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2004 07:35 am
Yes, FSB experts said, it was fortuity.

I,personally, can't belive this. In this case it is too apparent, that there was a attack.
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Thok
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2004 12:12 pm
weird case.
The chechen separatist leader, Aslan Maskhadov and accordingly a spokeman has denied any connection to the crashes.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2004 12:21 pm
Nothing to add, but interested. An awful coincidence and suspicious.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2004 12:23 pm
Well, since investigators combing the wreckage of two Russian airliners that have found no evidence of terrorism and the FBS said so earlier on the one site,
and on the other that the Chechens very< rarely admit having taken part in terroristic attacks,
this doesn't sound weird, I think.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2004 12:30 pm
Well, Walter, it is unusual to have a plane crash. It is more unusual to have two planes crash. It is even more unusual to have both planes take off from the same airport and crash at the same time. That's what happened, isn't it?

I'd say it was a little weird and likely related somehow. Maybe it was bad fuel?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2004 12:42 pm
Unfortunately, plane crashes in Russia aren't that uncommon: there have been more than 50 with planes with more than 6 passengers within the last couple of years according to correspondants.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2004 12:45 pm
That's a shame, Walter, but it was two planes who took off from the same airport and crashed within minutes of each other, right?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2004 12:47 pm
Right, and I do think, it was a terrorist act, too.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2004 12:49 pm
Assuming it was a terrorist attack, I'm curious what the point was. When hijackers hijacked planes here, they had a pland to destroy very symbolic targets. Destroying an airplane doesn't seem very symbolic, though I guess it could be different terrorists with different intentions.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2004 12:53 pm
When the Chechens destroyed a shopping mall and two aprtment blocks in Moscow in 1999, with more than 300 deads - none was a symbolic target at all.

Neither the targets of the attacks with followed (as far as I remember).
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Sofia
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2004 12:55 pm
I had initially thought Chechen terrorists--but I think they would have found something by now--or someone would have taken responsibility.

Freakish coincidence, it seems.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2004 12:57 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Right, and I do think, it was a terrorist act, too.


Oh. I see.
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Thok
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2004 02:38 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:

on the other that the Chechens very< rarely admit having taken part in terroristic attacks.


Sorry, but I didn't agree with that. In important cases they take responsibility for the attacks-like at the Moscow theatre.

Wait and see, how this will be developed.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2004 03:05 pm
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Thursday, August 26, 2004.

Airports Lack Rules to Fight Terror

By Lyuba Pronina and Maria Levitov
Staff Writers

Following two near-simultaneous plane crashes, airports across the country reported Wednesday that they were tightening security, yet both airport and airline officials complained that there are no clear laws on how they should combat terrorism and other threats.

"Most countries after the Sept. 11 attacks worked out the relevant legislation," said Yevgeny Zvonkov, deputy head of the Russian Airport Association. "The Americans did it in six months and we are still waiting for the government to approve it."
The Transportation Ministry would provide no information on how much the federal government spends on transportation security.

Zvonkov said the new legislation is supposed to identify the government's financial responsibility in fighting terrorism on transportation. "Now it has been placed with the companies themselves, and they are scrambling for lack of money while terrorists don't stand by and wait," he said.

Not all airports provide complete baggage scanning, Zvonkov said. "Regional airports especially have outdated equipment. New scanning equipment costs up to $100,000 apiece, and they simply cannot afford that."

In April, the Transportation Ministry ordered that metal detectors be placed at airport entrances, but they have not yet been installed in all 450 of the country's airports, Zvonkov said.

Domodedovo Airport, the departure point for both planes that crashed late Tuesday, has refused to install the metal detectors, saying they clog the entrance.

Its director, Sergei Rudakov, has insisted that the airport has other, more effective measures, including thorough baggage scanning and dogs trained to detect drugs and explosives.

Sheremetyevo Airport's aviation security chief, Vasily Kunashev, said it installed the metal detectors to provide "an extra line of control."

Both airports said they use sensors capable of detecting explosives. Zvonkov said Pulkovo Airport in St. Petersburg is testing a new gadget that can detect plastic explosives.

An official from one airline operating from Domodedovo said that with the surge in passenger traffic at the airport, exacerbated by the high season, security has become more lax. "The number of passengers is growing at night, and there are lines and the quality of checking is dropping," he said.

Domodedovo spokeswoman Yevgenia Chaplygina defended the airport's security system, in particular the quality of its personnel.

"Our security personnel get certified training," she said. "They are taught psychology to recognize suspicious behavior."

About 300 of East Line Group's private security staff are normally on duty at Domodedovo, looking for unusual behavior and checking bags, she said. Regular police officers, who are there to check documents, are also on guard at every entrance.

On Wednesday, as security was heightened, at least two police officers guarded each entrance to Domodedovo's departure terminal, checking the documents of all passengers with large bags. East Line security guards also stopped people with a lot of luggage, which they scanned with portable metal detectors.

The airport has its own canine center, Chaplygina said. "Our bomb-sniffing spaniel is wonderful."

Several times a day, trainers walk around the airport with the dogs, most of which are German shepherds. The dogs also sniff all checked luggage, which is sent to a room in the basement, where it also passes through a scanner and a metal detector, she said.

The airport also takes special precautions with its employees, believing they potentially present the greatest threat, Chaplygina said.

"It may seem absurd, but even our cleaning ladies' buckets get inspected several times a day," she said.

All sensitive areas have biometric sensors, which scan employees' thumbprints to unlock doors. "An employee badge may be lost or stolen," Chaplygina said. "That's why we use biometrics."

While airports in major cities such as Moscow and St. Petersburg are generally thought to provide the best security, many regional airports are far from up to the required standards.

"Some airports are impossible to control," said Sibir deputy director Mikhail Koshman. "Take Adler. There is an uncontrolled flow of baggage, boxes with flowers, fruit and cognac. You can transport anything in them, from cash and drugs to weapons. Aviation security remains an open subject. You can get anything through that you want."

Once in the air, Russian airplanes provide security to the crew. Even before Sept. 11, 2001, Russian aircraft had reinforced armored doors to the cockpit, which the crew are not allowed to open under any circumstances, said Aeroflot's aviation security chief, Azat Zaripov.

Following Sept. 11, such doors were introduced on foreign-made jets.

On some flights, Aeroflot also has its own unarmed security agents, who are known to only a few of the crew.

A proposal to install video monitors on board has not been implemented for financial reasons, Zaripov said. The cost per plane would be $20,000, and there is no government backing, he said.

Proposals to introduce sky marshals also have been quashed, with transportation officials opposed to having armed agents on board. In 1972, on board a Tu-104 flying from Irkutsk to Moscow, a sky marshal shot a passenger who was holding a grenade, which then fell out of his hand and exploded, killing everyone on board.

One of the first things President Vladimir Putin did upon returning to Moscow on Wednesday was to order the government to change the law to transfer responsibility for airport security from the Transportation Ministry to the Interior Ministry, Interfax reported.

At a Transportation Ministry meeting on security earlier this month, Deputy Minister Sergei Aristov said legislation covering anti-terrorism measures for the entire transportation sector was still being worked out and would be completed only at the end of the year.

He said the term "transportation security" only appeared earlier this year, and that the sector remains highly vulnerable to terrorist acts.

The number of terrorist attacks involving transportation has quadrupled since 1997, reaching 350 so far this year alone, according to ministry data.

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