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Does anyone here believe the world is roughly 6000 years old?

 
 
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2016 03:41 pm
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:

Fil Albuquerque wrote:

Lets not raise any doubt Europeans are shy hypocrites who cant speak their mind when it comes to religious belief.


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Lets not raise any doubt AS IF Europeans were shy hypocrites who cant speak their mind when it comes to religious belief.

Yeah I jumped two words wile I was writing...the gap was easy to fill in....
Better now pally ?
oristarA
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2016 09:21 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:

oristarA wrote:

Fil Albuquerque wrote:

Lets not raise any doubt Europeans are shy hypocrites who cant speak their mind when it comes to religious belief.


Wink Very Happy Sad

Lets not raise any doubt AS IF Europeans were shy hypocrites who cant speak their mind when it comes to religious belief.

Yeah I jumped two words wile I was writing...the gap was easy to fill in....
Better now pally ?


Well, this new version sounds liberal and moderate. The original version, however, vividly reflects your Quixotic courage and character.

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ilikeyou
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2016 02:35 am
@McGentrix,
Your question is very good and it makes me take an honest look inside my worldview. Next I find the following questions: Do you believe in God with absolute consciousness? Or do you hate God for when he is not around you?
Will I find peace and comfort in the thoughts of God, gratitude to him? I think the answer may be one of the main questions
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2016 03:30 am
@ilikeyou,
That's wonderfully incoherent--true babble-speak. Are you training to become a religious leader?
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mark noble
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2016 08:31 am
@Leadfoot,
'noble'? Nvm, I get it.
Define 'panspermia' then 'aliens'.
Once done, please make clear why you connect the two?
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sat 9 Apr, 2016 09:04 am
@mark noble,
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Define 'panspermia' then 'aliens'.
Once done, please make clear why you connect the two?
My thinking is this. If 'aliens' (living creatures from another planet) are not related to 'panspermia' (life being seeded on earth from elsewhere) then it is merely kicking the can down the road.
If abiogenesis is possible then you couldn't ask for a better candidate than earth. There is no need for panspermia in that case.

If abiogenesis is not possible, then life (not just the ingredients) had to come from those 'aliens' and then you have to account for how they came to be (can kicking).

But then maybe you are a closet theist and consider God to be an alien. I guess he would be.
mark noble
 
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Reply Sat 9 Apr, 2016 09:28 am
@Leadfoot,
Now I get you.

You are defining 'life' as a, purely, 'organic' process.
I see it differently.

I consider 'God' ( I call it, 'Nature') as omnipotent, omnipresent and smack bang the entirety of all things. You, me, sand, water, protons and even jellybabies. And, as your right hand cannot perceive your left hand, nor know it is a part of (you) the whole - Most ppl know not their own connection to 'the whole'.

Do I consider God as an alien, or a 'he'?
Yes - God is every alien, every he, every she and every it.
AugustineBrother
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jul, 2016 07:19 am
@McGentrix,
I am about 80% that opinion. I have been thinking and investigating for a long time and that is my present opinion.
It is largely science that leads me to this. First of all, at before 6000 years we are already in pre-history (which means, before writing, direct evidence of events)
Three things to consider...1) Catastrophism seems to be in the history and not Uniformitarianism. Just look at Science mag and the increasing articles about Comets crashing and causing extinction events...2) The principles of Stratigraphy from Steno seem to me wrong and it was Geology that was the main support
3) Why don't evolutionists ever consider the evolving of physical constants and laws? They stop at that because then they have to consider things that they don't want to...recently I have seen great evidence that current dating methods are wrong, that coupled with soft tissue dinosaur discoveries...
Only 80%, but that is strong
AugustineBrother
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jul, 2016 07:20 am
@Robert Gentel,
Robert you are close-minded in the worst way, thinking yourself someone who has emerged from the dark. I have no such background as you 'posit' of all YECs
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jul, 2016 08:14 am
@mark noble,
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Do I consider God as an alien, or a 'he'?
Yes - God is every alien, every he, every she and every it.
That was the concept of God my third ex wife had too. When staring up at the sky at night it is an appealing thought and in some ways true.

I once had an experience when I wished to be disconnected from God for reasons that would take too long to explain. I was granted my request and experienced an emptiness that is beyond description. It was a universe with nothing in it. I soon begged to be connected again (he did) and I came away with the realization that every aspect of our existence is due to God.

I should add that no drugs were involved.

So in that respect I agree with your view. But I also see the gratuitous design of all existence and know that it required the presence of a an overarching designer. All our combined intellects and all the jelly beans in the world could not have done this.
mark noble
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jul, 2016 08:46 am
@Leadfoot,
That' like saying your fingernail is aware of the aortic-valves relevance to your kidney operation.

One part does not (in and of itself) constitute the whole.

But nothing is seperate from the (whole) (QED).
Because 'Nothing' doesn't exist.

Everything is connected to ONE thing (Everything).

Take it or leave it - You are stuck with it, like it or not.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jul, 2016 08:51 am
@mark noble,
A little too Woo Woo for me.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jul, 2016 09:55 am
@AugustineBrother,
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The principles of Stratigraphy from Steno seem to me wrong and it was Geology that was the main support
Steno's work, to students of geology, is sorta like Leonardo's Leicester Codex. It represents a bit of historical "cientific" thinking of its age . Its not something that we even entertain for academic discussions of FACT. CMon, its about 400 years old. We have major eruptions of opinions on a weekly basis it seems.. .
Whether you "Believe" in catastrophism or not is of little consequence to the sciences.More importantly, We can accurately date occurences of glacieal stages from the PREcambrian to the present , and we can date basalt floods of the K, we can date bolide hits from the quartz, and most of all, we can date and measure the pathways of migration of landmasses due to plate tectonics. The concepts of Catastrophism or Uniformitarianism dont really have any meaning or weight in how we date the events of our home planet.

Basically, you are wasting your time trying to make a pat hand by "Tking up a side with catastrophism" with which to base aany debate.Its meaningless prattle

Im coming up on 40 years as a researcher, mining consultant in the geologicl and geochemical sciences. I get a kick our of folks who demand some air time to even distinguish between catastrophy and gradualism. SOmetimes its quick, and sometimes its slow. In all cases, we can measure the ages of certain events' occurence within about a 0.5% error bar.

If its isotope geochemistry you "dont believe" well, I cant do anything for you without spending a lot of time explaining how the whole thing works and is used and how e check its veracity.
Many folks still dont believe we landed on the moon, or they DO believe that George Bush was in on the 911 attack.
We just lost one of the best conspiracy and anti-science dudes a few months ago when gungasnake went to seek out other sites that were more "Putin Friendly"
MAYBE you are taking his place? or are you his new stage name?
AugustineBrother
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jul, 2016 10:22 am
@farmerman,
I was just looking at a report from a Russian PhD in Geology, a specialist in caves and stalagmites. He became a Christian and holds views like mine. He said something amazing. "For years I looked at stalagmites and estimated them to be 100 ooo years old and it wasn't until my conversion that I realized I was saying that they had to have stayed in one place undisturbed for all that time". MY ONLY POINT is, just like you, we have certain things we never question when we think we are in possession of the unassailable truth.
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