The Oregon Standoff Is Over, but the Militia Left Something Behind to Remember Them by: Their Poop

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/33_million_and_counting_the_co.html

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The 41-day occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge cost taxpayers at least $3.3 million to cover the massive police response, a week of shuttered schools and a long list of supplies ranging from food to flashlight batteries, according to an Oregonian/OregonLive analysis of public and tribal budgets.

The total will certainly grow.

The amount doesn't include any figures from the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service, which operates the 187,700-acre bird sanctuary seized Jan. 2 by armed militants.

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http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/clatsop_county_da_josh_marquis.html

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Clatsop County District Attorney Josh Marquis has filed a complaint with the state bar against Ammon Bundy's lawyers, contending their pretrial statements outside federal court and released recordings of their client will unfairly prejudice future jurors.

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@ehBeth,

All Bundy's lawyers prove is hooligans can wear suits.

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The Bundy bust-up
Charges rain down on militant leaders of Bundy family standoffs in Nevada and Oregon.
Joshua Zaffos
March 8, 2016

... U.S. attorneys have charged 25 Malheur occupiers with just a single federal conspiracy charge. During a March 3 visit to Oregon, U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch said additional charges would be issued “very soon.” A district judge recently told prosecutors to hurry up, noting the defendants’ right to a speedy trial, which is very tentatively scheduled for late April.

For those charged in the 2014 Bundy Ranch standoff, a trial is likely still months away. In a statement on the Nevada charges, U.S. Attorney Daniel Bogden said the indictments stem from an “investigation (that) began the day after the assault against federal law enforcement officers and continues to this day.” FBI Special Agent in Charge Laura Bucheit called the indictments and arrests “an irrefutable message to the American people that our determination remains steadfast to protect them and pursue individuals who participate in violent acts of this nature.”

That investigation is overdue, says Mark Potok, senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center, a progressive nonprofit that tracks militia activity and hate groups. “The arrests of many of those involved in the occupation of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge is a welcome development that may have the effect of slowing down this kind of lawless activism and the ‘Patriot’ movement in general,” Potok says. “After all, it was the delay of almost two years in making arrests in the original 2014 Bundy standoff in Nevada that encouraged Bundy’s sons and others to seize the Malheur facility to begin with. These people need to understand that they cannot break the law with impunity” ...

http://itswww.hcn.org/articles/Bundy-bust-up-cliven-ammon-malheur-sagebrush-rebellion-payne-santilli

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Bundy refuses in court to recognize US authority in Nevada
Source: Associated Press

Bundy refuses in court to recognize US authority in Nevada

Ken Ritter, Associated Press

Updated 7:37 pm, Thursday, March 10, 2016

LAS VEGAS (AP) — Jailed Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy refused Thursday to acknowledge federal authority and declined to enter a plea to federal charges that he led an armed standoff against a round-up of cattle two years ago.

After several minutes of confusion about whether Bundy had a lawyer, U.S. Magistrate Judge Carl Hoffman entered a not guilty plea on Bundy's behalf and scheduled a detention hearing March 17.

Arguments then will focus on whether the 69-year-old Bundy should remain in custody pending trial on 16 charges, including conspiracy, assault and threatening a federal officer, obstruction and firearms offenses.

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"I make no plea before this court," Bundy said, standing in a courtroom full of family members, friends, media, court officials and U.S. marshals.

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@bobsal u1553115,

Yep, that would be consistent with the Bundy family believing the preachings of William Gale 60 years ago, who said that the county is the highest authority of the land and the sheriff is the highest elected official of the county, and as such the sheriff has the right to tell the state police and the Feds to get out of his county. According to Gale, the state police and the Feds don't even have the right to arrest anyone, only the sheriff can do that. Bundy doesn't even really recognize the Federal government as an entity. His son Ammon did, though, when he got his Federal loan for half a million dollars to start his Idaho ranch.

Check out this thread, which has an informative video dealing precisely with the Bundys' crackpot beliefs.
http://able2know.org/topic/309895-1

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@Blickers,

I've known Posse Comitatus jack asses in Nebraska and here in Texas. Not one is either a brain surgeon or a rocket scientist.

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Nothing civil about Oregon refuge occupiers' disobedience
Brad Powell
4:44 p.m. MST March 14, 2016

... The lands never belonged to the states. Court decisions from the early days of our nation’s existence have repeatedly upheld the federal government’s authority to manage public lands in the public’s interest.

The occupiers contended they were speaking for the public when in fact most people want public lands to stay in public hands.

The latest Colorado College Conservation in the West poll found continued strong support for national public lands. The bipartisan poll showed that 65 percent of Arizona voters oppose a state takeover of public lands. In 2012, Arizona voters resoundingly said “no” to the idea, defeating a proposal by a 2-to-1 margin.

Arizonans know how valuable public lands are for recreation, for healthy fish and wildlife populations, hunting and angling, clean watersheds and boosting local and state economies. Outdoor recreation in Arizona generates $10.6 billion annually in consumer spending and supports 103,700 direct jobs, according to the Outdoor Industry Association ...

http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2016/03/14/oregon-refuge-occupation/81664360/

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Former Federal Prosecutor Lays Out Likely Path For Refuge Trial
by Ryan Haas OPB
March 14, 2016 4:45 p.m. | Updated: March 14, 2016 6:28 p.m.

... Estrada said federal prosecutors in Oregon, Nevada and Washington, D.C. are all likely coordinating with each other to avoid jurisdictional infighting that could otherwise slow the cases.

Additionally, he said the government’s attorneys will try to negotiate plea deals with refuge occupiers who played a less central role ...

“I think the likely scenario is, from the government’s perspective, they don’t want a 26-defendant trial. And they certainly don’t want multiple trials,” he said. “They don’t want to have to present this case multiple times” ...

... Bundy and a few other occupation leaders face mandatory minimum sentences for a charge of using or carrying a firearm in relation to a crime of violence ...

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/malheur-occupation-federal-trial-prosecution-ammon-bundy/

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Trial to begin for man charged in Burns occupation (OR)

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March 14, 2016
Kristin Hosfelt

Medford, Ore. —... Kenneth Medenbach was out on bail for an illegal camping charge when he was arrested in Burns on January 15th. Police say he stole a government vehicle ...

... terms of release were that he would not occupy federal land ...

His trial is set to begin April 5th ...

https://kobi5.com/news/trial-to-begin-in-medford-for-man-charged-in-burns-occupation-23734/

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@bobsal u1553115,

The interesting aspect of this is the stealing government property charge. With this guy is was a car or truck he was using to stock up on supplies. Those guys used government Caterpillar construction equipment to build a new road, dig latrines and make fortifications. Figure that each use would be a separate count, and Caterpillar equipment goes for $100,000 each, I would think they all are in big trouble for that alone, not to mention a whole pile of other charges.

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@Blickers,

I hope they get eight or so years.

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@bobsal u1553115,

I'd be surprised if they get less than five. If they didn't have weapons, I think their time would be short. With the weapons, that changes everything, even though the gun nuts are trying to argue online that "Guns? What's the big deal about guns-everybody has 'em".

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@Blickers,

I think you nailed it. We may all got guns but nowhere near all of us fetishize them.

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Judge's order keeps Ammon Bundy in Oregon for now
Associated Pres
7:54 a.m. PDT March 17, 2016

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — A .. judge .. has prohibited U.S. Marshals from transferring Ammon Bundy, Ryan Bundy and Ryan Payne to Nevada for court hearings related to an armed standoff .. in 2014 ...

Payne's attorney .. sought the .. order Wednesday, saying .. sending them to Nevada would violate their right to have a speedy trial and effective counsel in Oregon.

U.S. District Court Judge .. Brown granted the request ...

http://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/crime/2016/03/17/judges-order-keeps-ammon-bundy-oregon-now/81907202/

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@bobsal u1553115,

Sounds fair. They're entitled to a speedy trial, and going to Nevada would throw that off. Pretty sure the reason they wanted the speedy trial was to prevent the prosecution from having the time to get experts in to assess the damage. They can always try them later if they want, but that would cost money and the defense is likely hoping they won't bother or accept a small plea deal instead of a second trial.

It's going to be amusing seeing this militia subculture trying to stick with their BS "constitutional judges" and "constitutional sheriffs", (as opposed to the conventional kind), as the trial in front of a real judge continues.

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@Blickers,

I just glad to see the wheels of justice roll.

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http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/03/oregon_standoff_figure_arreste.html

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An armed militant who was part of the security team during the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge occupation was in custody Thursday in Grant County on weapons charges after threatening to shoot federal law enforcement officers, according to Grant County District Attorney Jim Carpenter.

Scott A. Willingham, 49, was arrested Wednesday in the small town of Mount Vernon on allegations of unlawful use of a weapon, a felony, and second-degree disorderly conduct, a misdemeanor. He was arraigned Thursday in Grant County Circuit Court and held on $35,000 bail.

Carpenter said that during the arraignment, Willingham said he wanted to be jailed in Grant County to await arrest by federal authorities for his role in the occupation. Federal officials wouldn't confirm whether Willingham has been charged, although one name has been redacted from the most recent indictment naming 26 defendants.

A Grant County sheriff's deputy arrested Willingham at a motel after Willingham said that if he wasn't jailed Wednesday, he would "start shooting federal law enforcement officers" the next morning, Carpenter said.

Willingham had a semi-automatic rifle with 230 rounds of .308-caliber ammunition at the time of his arrest, Carpenter said.

In early February, Willingham said in an interview with The Oregonian/OregonLive that he arrived at the wildlife refuge 30 miles southeast of Burns a few days after the Jan. 2 takeover by armed protesters. He said he worked on security details and was being "groomed" for a leadership role in the occupation.

He left after takeover leaders were arrested and Robert "LaVoy" Finicum, 54, was shot to death as he attempted to elude police Jan. 26.

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@ehBeth,

His arrest in Grant County comes as the state Justice Department opens a criminal investigation into the county's sheriff, Glenn Palmer. Palmer met twice with militant leaders in John Day in January and was scheduled to speak at a community meeting there featuring them.

When the leaders didn't appear, the meeting went on anyway. Some local residents protested the presence of militia in Grant County and Palmer's apparent support for them.

Complaints filed against Palmer with the state agency that licenses police officers claimed Palmer's relations with the militants put the county at risk. Some said they feared he was making Grant County an inviting place for them.

pretty much all the chatter on the site is about Palmer and known problems with him

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@ehBeth,

From the article:

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Carpenter said that during the arraignment, Willingham said he wanted to be jailed in Grant County to await arrest by federal authorities for his role in the occupation.

That would figure. The actual sheriff of Grant County, Carl Palmer, is also one who calls himself a "Constitutional Sheriff", which is to say he subscribes to the Posse Commitatus mythology that the county is the supreme law, over the Federal and State, and as the highest elected law enforcement official in the county, only the Sheriff can make any arrests. In fact, the Sheriff can order the Federal and State police out of his county at will.

So its very important for these Posse Commitatus types like Bundy's followers to be arrested by the Sheriff of the county, even if the Sheriff ends up turning them over to the state or Feds. This way, the Posse Commitatus principle of only the Sheriff can arrest anyone is maintained.

Of course, they're going to end up in Federal prison anyway, but this is important to them.

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