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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Mon 6 Jun, 2022 04:50 am
54 Tory MPs have now submitted letters of no confidence in Johnson.

There will be a formal vote of all Tories, Johnson needs 180 to survive.

Other than that things are vague, the whips claim they'll be able to keep the votes below 100. There is talk that if more than 120 nc votes are received Johnson may resign, other Tory pms have done, but this is Johnson and he'll probably lurch on if he gets 179 nc votes.

If Johnson wins he is secure for another year, no more challenges are possible.

Region Philbis
 
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Mon 6 Jun, 2022 05:07 am
@izzythepush,

who fills in if he loses or resigns?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 6 Jun, 2022 05:27 am
@Region Philbis,
Region Philbis wrote:
who fills in if he loses or resigns?
I don't think, he will ever even consider to resign.

EXPLAINER: How UK Conservatives can change their leader
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 6 Jun, 2022 05:39 am
Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Brexit opportunities minister, has been giving interviews this morning defending Boris Johnson. He is one of the cabinet ministers most loyal to Johnson, which critics claim is not wholly unrelated to his status as one of the ministers most likely to be sacked under another Tory leader.

➤ Rees-Mogg claimed that, if Johnson were replaced, Brexit would not be delivered. “I also think that, without Boris Johnson, Brexit will not be delivered,” he said. The UK has already left the EU, and so Brexit is supposed to have been delivered anyway, but Rees-Mogg was implying that the full advantanges of Brexit, as he sees them (divergence from EU regulations) would not be delivered under another leader.

➤ He implied the campaign to get rid of Johnson was being driven by remainers. “It is in the remainer interest [to get rid of Johnson],” he said. When it was put to him that many of the Tory MPs opposed to Johnson are Brexiters, he said opposition to Brexit “is what underlies a significant number of people involved”. He cited Tobias Ellwood and Jeremy Hunt as examples.

➤ And Rees-Mogg claimed that the fact that Johnson received “a little bit of booing” when he arrived at St Paul’s Cathedral for the service for the Queen’s Platinum Jubilee was “perfectly normal”. When Sky News played the clip to him, he accused them of turning up the volume to make it sound worse than it was.

(Via The Guardian)
izzythepush
 
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Mon 6 Jun, 2022 06:05 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Rees Mogg, Dorries, Priti Patel etc. are all incompetent idiots put in positions of power because of ideology, not ability.

Never in the history of parluamentary democracy has there been a worse bunch of idiots running the country.

Johnson makes Neville Chamberlain look like a master technician who could give Machiavelli a run for his money.

I predict he will survive the nc vote just before the disastrous byelection results and then the Tories will be full of regret and the government will stumble along lurching from one disaster to another.
izzythepush
 
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Mon 6 Jun, 2022 06:06 am
@Region Philbis,
Sorry, just saw your post, Johnson will stay in post as caretaker pm until a successor is finalised.
izzythepush
 
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Mon 6 Jun, 2022 06:49 am
@izzythepush,
Sorry, tactician, not technician.

I can't even blame spellcheck because I turned it off.

I feel as daft as a mahogany frying pan.
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Ragman
 
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Mon 6 Jun, 2022 07:22 am
@izzythepush,
In general the competence of world’s national leadership (UK, US and many more) has gone way down. But I digress.

Why would a highly competent leader who could effectively run a nation want to go into being a PM or President? You would need to be insane or <gasp> dedicated to your fellow countrymen well-being and put that before your own or your party’s needs.
izzythepush
 
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Mon 6 Jun, 2022 07:30 am
@Ragman,
The person who doesn't want the job is the one most suited, like Vaclev Havel.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 6 Jun, 2022 07:48 am
@Ragman,
Ragman wrote:
In general the competence of world’s national leadership (UK, US and many more) has gone way down.
I think that you have to distinguish
a) between party and government leadership (not everywhere is the party leader automatically leader of the government)
b) between voting systems (not everywhere is the head of government voted by the public, but by the parliament [e.g. in the UK, Germany and other parliamentary countries]).
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 6 Jun, 2022 08:23 am
@izzythepush,
However, to really topple Johnson, 180 MPs would have to vote against him. And since around 160 of Johnson's party friends alone work for the government in one way or another, this number is difficult to achieve. (After all, the sole purpose of the government now is to keep Boris Johnson in office as Prime Minister, it seems.)

izzythepush
 
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Mon 6 Jun, 2022 08:33 am
@Walter Hinteler,
It reminds me of Major's last stint in office, he at least had the decency to trigger the leadership contest himself.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 6 Jun, 2022 08:50 am
@izzythepush,
Well, "decency" and Johnson Very Happy
izzythepush
 
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Mon 6 Jun, 2022 09:47 am
@Walter Hinteler,
It's hubris, he has got away with so much **** his whole life and thinks he can get away with anything.

When he was in a school play he didn't learn his lines and had to go on with crib sheets. The audience found his bumbling performance funnier than the rest and he has been jovially bumbling away ever since, full of fake bon homie and a huge sense of entitlement.
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edgarblythe
 
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Mon 6 Jun, 2022 02:46 pm
Yep. He won and is staying on.
izzythepush
 
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Mon 6 Jun, 2022 03:00 pm
@edgarblythe,
He had 148 nc votes, that is huge.

Theresa May won an nc vote and was gone six months later.

Johnson and the Tories are permanently damaged, the byelections will be huge.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 6 Jun, 2022 10:07 pm
@izzythepush,
211 "yeses" in Monday night's no-confidence vote means the Tories mathematically gave their prime minister a vote of no confidence.
The calculation also includes that on the other side there are 148 votes against: more than Theresa May once had to accept.
izzythepush
 
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Tue 7 Jun, 2022 12:41 am
@Walter Hinteler,
William Hague has just said he should resign.

This result is good for Labour, Johnson will carry on becoming less, not more, popular, dragging the Tory party down with him.
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izzythepush
 
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Wed 8 Jun, 2022 02:08 am
The 148 mps whovoted to get rid of Johnson aren't keeping quiet, there is talk of vote strikes where they either abstain, or vote against the government.

The next test will be the bill that attempts to override the NI protocol.

This tactic was used against May and drove her out because she no longer had a functioning majority.

Johnson's main point is that he wants to draw a line under Partygate, but he's been saying that since Christmas.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 9 Jun, 2022 06:27 am
British nationals living in EU countries are not allowed to vote or run in municipal elections as an "automatic consequence" of Brexit, the bloc's top court said. A Briton residing in France since the 1980s had appealed.

The ECJ ruled in the case launched by a British woman who has lived in France for more than 30 years. She had appealed to the court after being stripped of the right to vote in French local elections.

She is also not allowed to vote in British elections, as per a UK law that prohibits Brits from casting their votes if they had lived abroad for more than 15 years.

EU nationals living in countries within the bloc other than their countries of citizenship are allowed to cast their votes in local elections.

According to Thursday's ruling, British citizens who are residents in EU countries can only vote or run for office if they obtain EU citizenship, to which the plaintiff had declined to apply.

The Luxembourg-based court ruled that British people who have lived in EU countries even prior to Brexit "no longer enjoy the status of citizen of the Union, nor, more specifically, the right to vote and to stand as a candidate in municipal elections in their Member State of residence,'' according to a court statement.

It said that "this is an automatic consequence of the sole sovereign decision taken by the United Kingdom to withdraw from the European Union."
DW
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