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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Wed 30 Sep, 2020 05:27 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Britain offers EU fishing concession as part of Brexit sweetener
Quote:
Britain has offered a three-year transition period for European fishing fleets to allow them to prepare for the post-Brexit changes as part of an 11th-hour deal sweetener.

The catches of EU fishermen would be “phased down” between 2021 and 2024 to offer time for European coastal communities to adapt to the changes.

The lengthy transition period is contained in a new negotiating paper tabled ahead of the current round of negotiations in Brussels between the teams respectively led by the UK’s chief negotiator, David Frost, and his EU counterpart, Michel Barnier.

The idea of a phase-down period had been floated previously but details had not been provided until recent days.

“We have a long way to go but if the other problematic issues can be sorted, it doesn’t look like fisheries will stand in the way of an agreement”, said one senior EU diplomat. The move comes as the UK signed its first independent fishing deal for 40 years. The deal with Norway involves annual negotiations on share of catch, something the EU has rejected in Brexit trade talks.

Ireland’s foreign minister, Simon Coveney, said during a visit to Washington on Tuesday night that he believed there was a good chance of a trade deal. “The obstacles are not insurmountable,” he said. “We should be able to get this deal done.”

However, UK fisheries leaders warned the government not to sell them out. Barrie Deas, the head of the National Federation of Fishermen’s Organisations, said: “What we wouldn’t agree to is surrendering fishing rights in order to have a trade deal.

“There is no expectation within the UK fishing industry that the UK will back down on fisheries. If anything, the commitments that have been made to the industry are stronger now than when the negotiations started. We’ve been given clear and unequivocal commitments.”

The UK remains fixed on replacing the common fisheries policy with a system of “zonal attachment” that would offer a significant increase in catches for British fishing fleets.
Builder
 
  0  
Wed 30 Sep, 2020 05:42 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Britain has offered a three-year transition period for European fishing fleets to allow them to prepare for the post-Brexit changes as part of an 11th-hour deal sweetener.


A sweetener? Seriously>?? Get the **** out of British fishing grounds.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Wed 30 Sep, 2020 07:48 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
Get the **** out of British fishing grounds.
The EU wants access to the UK’s waters based on existing fishing rights (London Fisheries Convention was withdrawn, the CFP ends automatically with Brexit) and the UK wants exclusive control over access - there's nothing about getting out besides your kind remark.

The problem is that the UK wants to control access to its waters while retaining full access to EU export markets. (British people tend not to eat British fish: about 80% of the UK catch is exported, nearly completely into the EU.)
The UK is advocating for fishing rights for a particular stock to be allocated to the country in whose waters the stock is found ("zonal attachment"), while the EU is pushing for rights for stocks to be given to countries who have historically fished them ("relative stability").

The UK has also left the London Fisheries Convention that lets Irish, French, Belgian, Dutch and German vessels fish within six nautical miles of the UK's coast. (A third of the Irish catch is from UK waters.)
This withdrawal was the first time in history that a country had withdrawn from an international agreement named after its own capital city.

Actually, there had been already been a post-Brexit fishing dispute:
In February, Guernsey effectively banned French vessels from operating in its waters, and the French retaliated.
Guernsey introduced fishing permits for foreign vessels on 31 January but it has been claimed the UK failed to inform France of the changes.
The channel island authority brought in the legislation after Brexit as the London Fisheries Convention.



Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Thu 1 Oct, 2020 06:49 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The European Commission had launched legal proceedings against the UK over its plan to break the Brexit withdrawal agreement. President Ursula von der Leyen said Boris Johnson’s government had a month to respond to a Letter of formal notice.
"The commission has decided to send a letter of formal notice to the UK government – the first step in an infringement procedure," she said.

Von der Leyen said Boris Johnson’s government had one month to respond.
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Tryagain
 
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Thu 1 Oct, 2020 09:48 am
The latest from the A2K news room is that Ursula von der Leyen, (a person few Germans have ever heard of and even fewer elsewhere) of the European Commission, has launched legal action against the UK over the terms of the Internal Markets Bill.

The UK has a month to respond she warns... or we will send another letter!

This will be the 94th active infringement proceedings to be launched against the UK by the EU... Yawn!

They also failed to mention there are 800 other infringement notices ongoing. Those notices typically take 2 or 3 years to be resolved (under the ECJ).

The UK will be free in three months.


Who needs enemies when you have friends like these!
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 1 Oct, 2020 10:20 am
@Tryagain,
Tryagain wrote:
Ursula von der Leyen, (a person few Germans have ever heard of and even fewer elsewhere)
That's what I really doubt.
Might be, she was only known as a minister in the Lower Saxony government before 2005, but afterwards?
She was a Federal Minister from 2005 until 2019, between 2013 and 2019 Federal Minister of Defence. And at least, when she chaired the EPP Defence Ministers Meeting, she was noted elsewhere.


That von der Leyen send this infringement solely is because she's the President of the EU Comission.
Tryagain wrote:
This will be the 94th active infringement proceedings to be launched against the UK by the EU... Yawn!
Well, Germany for instance got some dozens more, not easy to beat as.

Tryagain wrote:
They also failed to mention there are 800 other infringement notices ongoing. Those notices typically take 2 or 3 years to be resolved (under the ECJ).
You read the full infringement letter? (Press release Infringement process against the United Kingdom)
Otherwise have a look at the more general informations Infringement procedure
That actually should be known to the HM's Governmen.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 1 Oct, 2020 12:46 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
https://i.imgur.com/gQaLIiK.jpg
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Tryagain
 
  1  
Thu 1 Oct, 2020 02:20 pm
Walter, let us not forget that the British are the original Saxons, a Germanic tribe which also included other neighboring groups in the region such as the Angles and jutes, and all these groups spoke a closely related West Germanic language that in time would involve into Old English.

When the Romans left Britain in the forth century, they moved in and drove the 'Brits' into Wales and took over. Establishing a number of kingdoms which can still be identified by place names that contain the suffix 'sex', such as Sussex, Wessex, Essex etc.

The Angles in Anglia and the Saxons in the south, with the Britons from Brittany (France) derived from the Latin Britannia, which means "Britons' land" way out to the West

So the real Germans are the British... well, until 1066 when they (or at least the Lords) became Normans (French).

The Führer admired the British as far back as Mein Kampf. He not only wished to have stronger relations with them, but even viewed them as a role model for his own Nationalist ambitions.

We can also see this when the English happily made a Naval Agreement with Germany, where Hitler humbly held his naval tonnage at a modest 35:100 to England’s - exactly as Mein Kampf had said ‘Naval ambitions should have been abandoned, and attempts should not have been made to compete against British industries’ - what the Führer called the happiest day of his life.

Now we have two germanic peoples arguing over Gesetz zur Übertragung der Aufgaben für die Überwachung der Rinderkennzeichnung und Rindfleischetikettierung.

With French language courts!
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Thu 1 Oct, 2020 09:51 pm
@Tryagain,
Tryagain wrote:
Walter, let us not forget that the British are the original Saxons,
My family is originally Saxon, Old Middle Saxon, to be precise, meaning "the {fenced] meadow where the hind comes out".
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Fri 2 Oct, 2020 02:38 am
Boris Johnson will speak to the president of the EU Commission Ursula von der Leyen (that's the person, who - according to Tryagain - few Germans have ever heard of and even fewer elsewhere) on Saturday to "take stock" of post-Brexit trade negotiations and "discuss next steps".
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Tryagain
 
  0  
Fri 2 Oct, 2020 01:21 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Congratulations on having such an impressive and proud heritage as nothing could stand in the way of the Anglo-Saxons and their special unit called Household troops who were far superior to the Viking Berserker troops. Although the Vikings were the supreme navigators (so you may have some of their genes too).


Meanwhile back in euro fantasy land, Christine Lagarde a French politician and President of the European Central Bank, (despite being found guilty by a French court on charges of negligence. No penalty was imposed!) There must be more 'Presidents' in the Eww than my dawg has flees.

Anyhoo, she now has plans to launch a digital euro - The central bank has yet to set out detailed proposals for the way this digital euro would work, but transactions could either be administered centrally by Frankfurt, or through the wider banking and payments system.

So the EZ won't need any commercial banks then, will it?

EZ citizens can all use just use the one centralised bank, which will be safer than any number of Banco Monte dei Paschi di Siena, or even Deutche Bank.

Hmmm.  Can you see the money men allowing that to happen? No, nor I.  Central control for plebs, but not for Lagarde's Elite.

After all, what ever happened to Lagarde's List?  You know, the one given to her in 2011 listing 1,991 wealthy offshore tax evaders.  The one where she 'lost' the disc with the details on!!!

How well has Lagarde (who is, herself, paid tax-free) been as a monetary guardian so far?

Doesn't inspire confidence in The EU Elite does it?
No, I'd rather go back to the gold standard, thank you.

Today I can testify to the effectiveness of lalochezia after reading that Brussels will refuse the City of London access to the EU's market from next year unless the UK sets out its plans to diverge from the bloc's financial rules.
 
Mairead McGuinness, an Irish centre-right MEP, is the candidate to be the EU's financial services commissioner. If approved by the European Parliament – which is expected – she will be the City's gatekeeper to the Single Market.
 
The Fine Gael politician and former member of the parliament's Brexit Steering Group, told MEPs at a hearing into her candidacy that Brussels needed answers from the UK. 

That only leaves a little matter of without access to the City how are EU banks and companies going to secure 80% of their funding requirements?

Basic questions remain about who acts as the lender of last resort for Euro based loans and bonds should a major financial shock hit the system. No single government sits as surety; nor is there an agreed federal pooling of resources to meet a world wide financial shock.

The Wirecard collapse has prompted the City of London to revisit the question. It took City investigative journalism to uncover the €1.9 billion hole in the balance sheet of now collapsed German payments company. The EU authorities there had no idea.

Pass the schnapps!
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 2 Oct, 2020 01:48 pm
@Tryagain,
I don't know how your post is Brexit related since the UK is no Euro-country.

Tryagain wrote:
There must be more 'Presidents' in the Eww than my dawg has flees.
Indeed, we do have a lot of presidents on the European continent, in organisations, parliaments, courts, public offices, companies, communities, clubs, trade union, universities, charities ...
The Latin praesideo means "I preside over".

Tryagain wrote:
How well has Lagarde (who is, herself, paid tax-free) been as a monetary guardian so far?
Indeed, she doesn't have to pay income tax - 14,000 British persons in nearly 270 diplomatic offices don't either. (Article 34 of Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations of 1961)
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Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Sat 3 Oct, 2020 10:11 am
Johnson and Von der Leyen extend Brexit talks by a month
Quote:
UK and EU leaders instruct chief negotiators to work harder to close gaps on deal

Boris Johnson and Ursula von der Leyen have approved a further month of Brexit negotiations after agreeing that enough progress has been made to justify a last push to reach a deal on trade and security.

The EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, will travel to London this week for talks with his British counterpart, David Frost, and the two sides will then hold follow-up talks in Brussels the week after.

The fresh rounds were agreed after a phone call on Saturday afternoon between the British prime minister and European commission president. EU sources said the conversation was “not a game-changer” but not “unhelpful”, with both sides showing resolve to find “landing zones” on the most difficult areas.

Before the new rounds of negotiation, Barnier will visit the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, in Berlin on Monday. Merkel had suggested on Friday that the EU would show fresh flexibility.

In a joint statement following their call, Johnson and Von der Leyen said they had identified reasons for hope that common ground on the most contentious issues could be found. They called on their teams to intensify negotiations in the coming weeks.

“They agreed on the importance of finding an agreement, if at all possible, as a strong basis for a strategic EU-UK relationship in future,” the statement said. “They endorsed the assessment of both chief negotiators that progress had been made in recent weeks but that significant gaps remained, notably but not only in the areas of fisheries, the level playing field and governance. They instructed their chief negotiators to work intensively in order to try to bridge those gaps.”

Downing Street’s hopes of moving into a so-called “tunnel” negotiation – an intensive negotiation away from the scrutiny of the media and domestic politicians – have not been satisfied. “It instructs me and [Michel Barnier] to work intensively in order to try to bridge the gaps between us. That work begins as soon as we can next week,” Frost tweeted of the joint statement.

In a sign that negotiations have moved into the political realm, with decisions required by both sides at the top ranks on their respective levels of flexibility, Von der Leyen and Johnson said they would now talk on “a regular basis on this issue”.

Their last meeting was in June, when Johnson said it was time to put a “tiger in the tank” of the negotiations, insisting that a deal was possible by the end of the summer.

He later moved his deadline to mid-October, when the 27 EU heads of state and government are due to hold a Brexit summit. Downing Street made no mention of a deadline this time.

Barnier told members of the European parliament on Friday that he believed the last two weeks of October would prove to be the “crunch period”, with the hope that a deal might be ready for ratification at the start of November.

The two sides are stuck on the issues of access to British waters for European fishing fleets and the level playing field provisions being pushed by Brussels to ensure that neither side can undercut standards or unfairly subsidise businesses through state aid.

Before last week’s talks, five new draft negotiating documents were submitted by the government, including legal texts on fisheries, the level playing field, law enforcement and judicial cooperation, civil nuclear cooperation and social security coordination.

Britain had offered a three-year transition period for European fishing fleets, allowing them to prepare for the post-Brexit changes, as part of an 11th-hour deal sweetener. The catches of EU fleets would be “phased down” between 2021 and 2024 to offer time for the European industry to adapt to the changes, but the French government has so far refused to countenance the major changes to catches being proposed by London.

On state aid, EU sources said the UK had offered to lay out a series of principles on controlling domestic subsidies. But the paper failed to offer appropriate “governance” proposals that would allow Brussels to hold the UK to its pledges, they added.

On Friday, Frost said there had been progress on state aid but that the gap between the two sides on fisheries remained wide and that without a move by Brussels a deal would not be possible.

It is understood that message was again relayed by Johnson to Von der Leyen during their conference call on Saturday.


Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Mon 5 Oct, 2020 09:28 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The UK and the EU cannot agree on a trade agreement at this stage. According to a media report, Toyota and Nissan are therefore demanding financial compensation in the event of a no deal Brexit.

Toyota, Nissan will seek reimbursement from UK if Brexit talks fail, paper says
Quote:
TOKYO -- Toyota and Nissan will ask for reimbursement from Britain if the UK government fails to agree on a trade deal with the European Union, the Nikkei financial daily reported on Monday.

The Japanese automakers are bracing for a 10 percent tariff on cars exported from the UK to the EU and are demanding that the government pay extra costs, the Nikkei reported on Monday.
[...]
Toyota builds the Corolla and the related Suzuki Swace compact cars at its plant in Burnaston, central England. It also produces engines at a factory in Wales.

Nissan operates Britain's biggest car factory in Sunderland, northeast England. The plant's production includes the Qashqai, Juke and Leaf. Honda also builds the Civic in Swindon, near London, but the company is closing the factory next year.
... ... ...
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 8 Oct, 2020 11:27 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Belgian ambassador throws King Charles II treaty into EU fishing debat
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British king granted 50 Flemish fishermen ‘eternal rights’ to English fishing waters in 1666

All is fair in love and cod war. And with the EU’s coastal states under pressure to give way on Britain’s demands for greater fishing catches in its waters post-Brexit, any old argument is worth a try.

When the issue of the future access of European fishing fleets was being discussed by EU ambassadors in Brussels on Wednesday the Belgian government’s representative, Willem van de Voorde, made a notable intervention.

To the confusion of some, and the delight of others, the ambassador cited a treaty signed some 350 years ago by King Charles II which had granted 50 Flemish fishermen from Bruges “eternal rights” to English fishing waters.

When the Privilegie der Visscherie was given in 1666, Bruges was part of the Southern Netherlands, controlled by Spain. The offer had been Charles’s way of showing gratitude for the hospitality he received when he stayed there during the interregnum that followed the decapitation of his father, King Charles I, and his own restoration to the throne.

“I wasn’t quite sure what he was on about but I think he was joking,” said one confused diplomat who had listened to Van de Voorde’s intervention. “But, then, you never know.”

While the validity of the Belgian claim is somewhat unlikely, the tensions in Brussels over fishing access for European fleets from 1 January are very real.

The UK has demanded a radical increase in fishing catches in its exclusive economic zone as it leaves the EU’s common fisheries policy.

Some in Brussels recognise the need to satisfy this demand – it was one of the key arguments made for Brexit during the 2016 referendum – certain coastal countries, including France in particular, are insisting on the status quo.

During the same meeting of ambassadors, the EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, pointed out that EU revenues from fishing in UK waters was around €650m, compared with €150m for British fishing in UK waters.

“I think he was suggesting that there was an argument for a change in the balance,” said one EU source. “It is going to be difficult though; no sign of France changing its mind yet.”

On Thursday, France’s European affairs minister, Clément Beaune, said Paris would not “sell out” its fishing communities to get a deal.

After meeting with his Dutch counterpart, Stef Blok, in The Hague, Beaune told reporters: “Our fishermen will not be a bargaining chip for Brexit, they will not have to pay the price for Britain’s choices.”

Beaune said a deal was still possible but “not by sacrificing the interests of our fishermen”.

“A bad deal would be the worst outcome. And so we are ready for a no-deal scenario, and we will not accept a bad compromise.”


https://i.imgur.com/4Yh8zdC.jpg


This has been discussed since at least 2017, when the government of the Flemish Community (one of the three federal communities in Belgium) unearthed this 350-year-old royal charter.

In theory, such privilege can only be undone if the parliament explicitly approves a law, that’s never happened, so in principle the privilege still applies.
However, the 1666 charter was issued before Belgium declared its independence in 1830, and before the 1707 Act of Union that created the Kingdom of Great Britain.
Bruges was part of the Southern Netherlands, controlled by Spain while Charles II was the King of Scotland, England and Ireland.

Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 8 Oct, 2020 12:15 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The UK still works with the EU!

Quote:
Covid patients in the NHS will be able to get treatment in the coming months with remdesivir, one of the drugs given to Donald Trump, after the European commission negotiated for enough doses for 500,000 patients in 36 countries including the UK.

There is a global shortage of remdesivir because the US bought up all stocks from the US-based manufacturer Gilead from June to October. Demand for the drug is ramping up following Trump’s treatment for Covid.

The commission signed a joint procurement deal with Gilead on Thursday on behalf of the bloc. The UK joined in, having opted out of earlier negotiations on PPE and ventilators in favour of making its own deals.
[...]
The joint procurement runs until March, paid for through the common budget, to which the UK has contributed. The UK government is also talking to Gilead and hopes that supplies of remdesivir will have stabilised by next year, so that it can buy direct from the manufacturer as it would under normal circumstances.
The Guardian
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 8 Oct, 2020 11:29 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
UK reveals plans for up to 10 inland border sites to cope with Brexit chaos
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The government has announced plans for up to 10 inland sites to cope with Brexit congestion and border checks including in Birmingham, Warrington and at a former airfield near Epping Forest in Essex.

The inland border sites are being acquired to relieve ports including at Dover and Liverpool and could be in place for up to two years, according to one of councils where the planning process for infrastructure has already begun.

Among the proposed sites is a second facility for Ashford in Kent, adjacent to the recently acquired “Mojo” lorry park that will enable “about 2,000 HGVs” to queue on the coast-bound carriageway while other traffic continues to flow in both directions.

https://i.imgur.com/kB0fVMr.jpg

The details were disclosed in a long-awaited update on the government’s border operating model and are part of the plan to avert congestion and queues of up to 7,000 trucks in Kent.

On Wednesday Michael Gove, in charge of implementing Brexit, said of the potential for chaos in Kent: “If things do go wrong, then to paraphrase Rag’n’Bone Man – put the blame on me.”

The document sets out new rules for border controls for travelling with EU member state national ID cards, no longer acceptable from 2021 when passports will be mandatory for entry to the UK.

It also confirms that hauliers will need a “Kent access permit” to get into the county if they are heading for a ferry in Dover or a Eurotunnel train in Folkestone as part of congestion management.

The government says it will be putting new infrastructure in place at Ebbsfleet international station in Kent, North Weald airfield in Essex and Warrington in the north-west.

Along with the second Ashford site – which would be used for processes around transit including “passport for goods” checks – two further sites are being considered primarily for the same processes in Thames Gateway and Birmingham. Additional potential sites could be put in place by July next year in Holyhead, Fishguard/Pembroke and Dover.

Industry leaders including the Road Haulage Association, which Gove has accused of not being “constructive”, welcomed the report.

The government had identified 29 areas last month for potential use for border infrastructure but has already stood some of these boroughs down. Medway council in Kent said it had been notified by the government that land in its area would not be needed.

Anglesey council has already rejected an approach for a potential customs facility at an agricultural showground near Holyhead, the second busiest roll-on roll-off ferry port in the country. One executive at the council, Carwyn Jones, said: “They can’t sit in London and just look at Google Maps, and we can’t be strong-armed into accepting a site that isn’t appropriate.”

Essex county council said: “HMRC is proposing to use and operate North Weald airfield as a common transit convention (CTC) site. This is not a lorry park, but a customs facility which enables exporters to defer paying duties when importing goods into Europe. We expect HMRC to engage stakeholders, including local residents, shortly as part of its planning application under special development order legislation. The site will operate alongside other inland border sites in Kent for up to two years.”

The 138-page document will be a must-read for all hauliers and businesses and particularly the estimated 145,000 companies that have never traded outside the EU. They will have to become familiar with complicated processes including customs declarations on both imports and exports and sanitary and phytosanitary checks on both sides of the border.

Also to be put in place will be checks for endangered fauna and flora, which may take place away from ports such as Dover and Liverpool, where there is no capacity near the docks.

The government confirms that “it is the UK’s intention that EU, European Economic Area and Swiss citizens will not be required to obtain a visa” and they will continue to be be able to use electronic passport gates at airports.

The document reminds members of the public who want to travel to and from the EU with pets that the documentary requirements will change. If the EU accepts the UK as a “part 1 listed third country” the checks will be similar to now but the UK is urging pet owners to get necessary veterinary checks in place four months before travel as a contingency.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 8 Oct, 2020 11:34 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
The document sets out new rules for border controls for travelling with EU member state national ID cards, no longer acceptable from 2021 when passports will be mandatory for entry to the UK.


That's different to the situation before the UK joined the EU: even in the the 1960's I visited the UK with my national ID-card, but had to carry with it an additional "visitor's card" for getting the date of entry stamp.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Fri 9 Oct, 2020 06:44 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Altough Boris Johnson has publicly suggested a Brussels summit next week is his deadline for a deal, the EU does not believe UK will walk out on Brexit talks, diplomat says
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sun 11 Oct, 2020 11:23 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Britain tells Germany to bridge gaps in EU talks
Quote:
The British PM told German Chancellor Merkel that his country would be willing to walk away if there was no Brexit deal in place. Johnson's call to Merkel comes just days before a major EU summit on a post-Brexit deal .

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson spoke with German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Sunday to discuss "significant gaps" that remain in the deal between the UK and the EU.

According to an official statement from Johnson's office, "the prime minister emphasized that progress must be made in the coming days to bridge the significant gaps, in particular in the areas of fisheries and the level playing field."
[...]
"While achieving a deal in the coming days would be beneficial for both sides, the UK was also prepared to end the transition period on Australia-style terms," said the statement, even though there are no trade deals between Australia and the EU.

The UK said it would walk away without a deal if no deal was finalized by the EU summit in a few days time. In addition to the debate surrounding fisheries, there are still differences in opinion to the UK's access to the EU single market. Johnson told French President Emmanuel Macron on Saturday that he was exploring all avenues for a trade deal with the EU.
 

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