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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 8 Oct, 2019 11:28 pm
@Olivier5,
https://i.imgur.com/Gyd4CHp.jpg

Today's front pages focus on Angela Merkel’s reportedly gloomy analysis but Times and FT suggest Irish talks offer last chance for Johnson
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 9 Oct, 2019 02:42 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Leave.EU campaign apologises over tweet calling Merkel a ‘kraut’ and invoking world war
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Leave.EU has made a rare apology for a tweet the organisation posted which showed a picture of Angela Merkel with the words: “We didn’t win two world wars to be pushed around by a Kraut.”

The tweet was apparently in response to unfounded reports from a “No 10 source” Ms Merkel had insisted in a phone call to Boris Johnson that Northern Ireland remains within the European Union’s customs union when the rest of the UK leaves the bloc.

After the tweet generated widespread outrage, co-founder of the organisation Arron Banks admitted it “went too far”, but said “the real outrage is the German suggestion that Northern Ireland be separated from the UK”.

He added: “On reflection the point could have been made better.”

Leave.EU tweeted “We’re sorry”, alongside an emoji of a downcast face.

Despite the anonymous reports from Downing Street on Tuesday morning that Ms Merkel was insisting Northern Ireland remained in full regulatory alignment with the EU, Mr Johnson’s official spokesperson later refused to confirm whether this was an accurate account of the phone call between the two leaders.
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The British reports of the call generated an irate response from European council president Donald Tusk, who accused Mr Johnson of playing a “stupid blame game” risking “the future of Europe and the UK”.

Before Leave.EU deleted the tweet calling Ms Merkel a “Kraut”, both Mr Banks and the organisation’s communications director, Andy Wigmore, defended it.

Responding to criticism from former Mirror editor Piers Morgan - who said it made them look like “racist idiots” and confirmed “the very worst stereo-typical impression of Leave voters” - Mr Banks responded on Twitter: “A German leader suggested annexing Northern Ireland and said we can only leave if we agree. Our response was mild!”
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And Mr Wigmore also responded to criticism – in his case from Richard Tice – the chair of Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party, who said it was “stupid and offensive”.

Mr Wigmore responded: “Oh shut up @TiceRichard – you loved it, stop being so pompous....”
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Mr Johnson has maintained he is still seeking an exit deal with the UK which Ireland can agree to, and the prime minister held emergency talks with Irish leader Leo Varadkar on Tuesday evening.

A Downing Street spokesperson told reporters afterwards: “The prime minister spoke to the taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, tonight. Both sides strongly reiterated their desire to reach a Brexit deal. They hope to meet in person later this week.”

Even as the anonymous briefings from No 10 – widely attributed to Mr Johnson’s adviser Dominic Cummings – were being reported in the press, officials in Brussels said talks between the UK and the EU were continuing as normal, though David Sassoli, the European parliament president, later said there had been “no progress”.

Mr Johnson has repeatedly said he would not seek an extension to the Brexit deadline, though court documents indicate he has privately promised to do so in order to comply with a law laid down by parliament.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 9 Oct, 2019 09:03 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Some of the key quotes from today's European parliament hearing (via The Guardian):
• Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the European commission, criticised the UK government for engaging in a “blame game”. He said Brexit was the choice of the British people. He went on:
Although we are respecting that choice. As it stands, we will remain in discussion with the United Kingdom on the terms of its departure.

And, personally, I don’t exclude a deal. We are, Michel [Barnier] and myself, working on a deal.

And we are not accepting this blame game which started in London.


• Juncker said the British should not forget the need for the European parliament to agree any Brexit deal.
I would like to repeat to the attention of our British friends that there is not only a parliament in Westminster which has to agree, there is a parliament here.

• Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, said an agreement was not currently possible. He said:
To put things very frankly, though, and to try and be objective, this particular point, we are not really in a position where we are able to find an agreement.

• David Sassoli, president of the European parliament, said that any Brexit extension should be to allow the British public to express their views - either through an election, or a referendum. He also revealed that he had discussed Brexit with the Commons Speaker, John Bercow.

• Tytti Tuppurainen, the Finnish Europe minister, said that a no-deal Brexit was a “dangerously realistic” scenario.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Wed 9 Oct, 2019 11:16 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Afternoon summary [via the Guardian, see above]

• Boris Johnson has promised centrist Conservative MPs he will not go into an election arguing for a no-deal Brexit and would never make a pact with Nigel Farage.

• MPs are heading for a Brexit showdown as they will be called to sit for a special parliamentary session on Saturday 19 October – less than two weeks before Britain’s scheduled departure from the EU.

• Michel Barnier has called on Boris Johnson to rein in the Downing Street aides responsible for attacking the German chancellor this week as the EU doubled down on its rejection of the prime minister’s proposals.

• Pro-remain campaigners are preparing to launch contempt proceedings against Boris Johnson if he attempts to renege on promises to seek an extension to Brexit.

• Boris Johnson could be summoned by the London assembly after failing to provide details of his contact with a US businesswoman and explain how any potential conflict of interest was addressed.

• Sir John Sawers, a former head of MI6, has said Brexit negotiations have got to “an extraordinarily damaging state” because unnamed Downing Street officials have been briefing that the UK might withdraw security cooperation with the EU.

• Two million people have asked to stay in the UK after Brexit under the government’s EU settlement scheme, latest figures show.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Thu 10 Oct, 2019 07:01 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Not really an aside: Nigel Farage and the Brexit party have voted against a European parliament resolution calling for stronger EU action to counter election meddling and Russian disinformation.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 10 Oct, 2019 07:57 am
@Walter Hinteler,
EU nationals lacking settled status could be deported, minister says
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The security minister, Brandon Lewis, has threatened EU citizens with deportation from the UK if they do not apply for settled status after Brexit.

Home Office figures show a million of the estimated 3 million EU citizens in the UK have yet to apply for settled status, which will allow them to stay in the UK.

In an interview with the German newspaper Die Welt, Lewis said these people risked being deported if they failed to apply by the end of 2020. “If EU citizens have not registered by then without an adequate justification, the immigration rules will apply,” Lewis said.

Asked whether those who did not apply in the next 14 months would face deportation even if they fulfilled all legal conditions for a residence permit, Lewis said: “Theoretically yes. We will apply the rules.”

Campaigners said the comments suggested the government was planning to renege on a promise to EU citizens.

The3million, a group representing EU citizens living in Britain, said it was the first time the government had confirmed what would happen to those who did not apply for settled status.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 10 Oct, 2019 08:21 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Full text of No 10 statement about Johnson/Varadkar talks (via The Guardian)

Quote:
The prime minister and taoiseach have had a detailed and constructive discussion.

Both continue to believe that a deal is in everybody’s interest. They agreed that they could see a pathway to a possible deal.

Their discussion concentrated on the challenges of customs and consent.

They also discussed the potential to strengthen bilateral relations, including on Northern Ireland.

They agreed to reflect further on their discussions and that officials would continue to engage intensively on them.

Following their discussions the taoiseach will consult with the taskforce 50 and the Brexit secretary Stephen Barclay will meet Michel Barnier tomorrow morning.


It is a joint statement from No 10 and from the Irish government.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Thu 10 Oct, 2019 09:40 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Some concessions might have been made from both sides ...
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Fri 11 Oct, 2019 04:54 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The EU's commission spokesperson declined to go into detail on meeting but told reporters that "you can assume that they exchanged ideas or they discussed many different angles".

And a UK government spokesman said: "Steve Barclay had a constructive meeting with Michel Barnier this morning. Michel Barnier will brief ambassadors from the EU27 this afternoon."
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 11 Oct, 2019 06:31 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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Michel Barnier, the European Commission's Chief Negotiator, had a constructive meeting this morning with Steve Barclay, the UK Secretary of State for Exiting the EU.

This afternoon, Michel Barnier debriefed the EU27 Ambassadors. He will shortly inform the European Parliament's Brexit Steering Group.

The EU and the UK have agreed to intensify discussions over the coming days.

The EU's position remains the same: there must be a legally operative solution in the Withdrawal Agreement that avoids a hard border on the island of Ireland, protects the all-island economy and the Good Friday (Belfast) Agreement in all its dimensions, and safeguards the integrity of the Single Market.

The Commission will take stock with the European Parliament and Member States again on Monday in view of preparing the General Affairs Council (Article 50) on Tuesday morning.
EU press release
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Fri 11 Oct, 2019 07:59 am
@Walter Hinteler,
EU’s chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier has secured the agreement of the EU27 to open intensive "tunnel"* negotiations on Boris Johnson’s latest proposals.
* "Tunnel" negotiations describe a Brussels process whereby a small group of negotiators hold discussions in secret, with no press briefings or documents published, meaning the offers and counter-offers are not disclosed – unless they are leaked.
In theory it allows a "safe space" where controversial ideas can be discussed without worrying about the political fall-out on either side from even considering them, emboldening negotiators to consider politically riskier proposals.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Fri 11 Oct, 2019 08:30 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Lots of chatter over what will happen now to the backstop, although no details were revealed officially today.

A diplomat and an EU official said - according to Reuters - that Barnier had told member states that Britain had changed its position to now accept that the proposed replacement to the so-called backstop cannot erect a customs border between EU member Ireland and Northern Ireland.
Johnson declined to confirm whether Northern Ireland will leave the customs union.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Fri 11 Oct, 2019 09:23 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The UK government has announced it has signed contracts with ferry operators Brittany Ferries, DFDS, P&O and Stena Line to provide freight capacity in the event of a no-deal Brexit. The deals will be worth up to £86.6m if the UK leaves the bloc without an agreement. An early termination fee of £11.5m will be paid to the firms if a Brexit deal is agreed.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sun 13 Oct, 2019 04:04 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Brexit compromise inevitable, says Rees-Mogg
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Boris Johnson will update the cabinet later, as UK and EU officials hold talks on getting a deal done in time for the 31 October Brexit deadline.

Commons Leader Jacob Rees-Mogg said "compromise" was inevitable and the PM could be "trusted" to get an agreement acceptable to Leave-backing MPs.

Parliament will meet on Saturday and vote on any deal achieved by Mr Johnson at a Brussels summit this week.

Labour said it would "wait and see", but would oppose anything "damaging".

Shadow business secretary Rebecca Long-Bailey told BBC One's Andrew Marr Show: "We don't think the Tories have moved too far on on their deal."

SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon told the same programme: "We will not vote for the kind of deal specified by Boris Johnson."

Talks in Brussels between UK and EU officials - described as "intense technical discussions" - are continuing on Sunday.

Ambassadors to the EU from 27 member countries are scheduled to meet this evening and Michel Barnier, the EU's chief Brexit negotiator, is expected to brief them on the talks.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sun 13 Oct, 2019 07:34 am
@Walter Hinteler,

EU ready to grant Brexit extension in run-up to key summit

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Jean-Claude Juncker has talked up the prospects of a Brexit extension beyond 31 October as EU officials downplayed the chances of a breakthrough in time for this week’s crunch summit.

As talks on Johnson’s latest Brexit proposals continued in Brussels, the European commission president said he would back a prolongation of the UK’s membership if it was sought.

“It’s up to the Brits to decide if they will ask for an extension,” Juncker told the Austrian newspaper the Kurier on Sunday. “But if Boris Johnson were to ask for extra time – which probably he won’t – I would consider it unhistoric to refuse such a request.”
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Mon 14 Oct, 2019 01:20 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The Brexit debate goes, this kind of an endless Netflix series with, uh, unrealistic figures from which one usually would have left long ago if it wouldn't be reality.
What awaits you in the current episode: today Queen Elizabeth II will reopen parliament after the break and read out the government declaration of her prime minister.

Then the clock is ticking: a solution should be found by the time of this week's EU summit. If London and Brussels reach an agreement by then, Boris Johnson would only have one day to obtain the approval of the House of Commons. Showdown would then be on Saturday at a special session.

So maybe the series has a finale this week?
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Mon 14 Oct, 2019 04:02 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Jacob Rees-Mogg claims government could use EU law to defy Benn Act
Quote:
'EU law is superior law in the UK', argues leading Brexiteer

Jacob Rees-Mogg has suggested that the government could use EU law in order to force through a no-deal Brexit by the end of the month.

The Commons leader said he believed there was a "pathway to a deal" but hinted that Boris Johnson could use European legislation to get around a law compelling him to delay Brexit if there is no deal in place by next week.

Ahead of a make-or-break week for Brexit, Mr Rees-Mogg warned pro-EU MPs that "it takes two to tango" and any extension must be signed off by Brussels.


It comes as the prime minister faced pressure from the EU to move “further and faster” to break the Brexit impasse, ahead of a critical two-day summit this week.

EU and UK officials will hold talks in Brussels on Monday as the prime minister's hopes of progress stood on a knife edge.

Mr Johnson has repeatedly committed to leaving the EU on 31 October, with or without a deal, but his hands have been tied by a backbench law tabled by Labour's Hilary Benn, that aims to prevent a no-deal Brexit.

Asked how ministers could get round this legislation, Mr Rees-Mogg said: “The law of this land is subject to the law of the European Union, so we’ll have to see what the legal eagles think.”

He added: "Theresa May got an extension not through UK law, but through EU law and until the 1972 European Communities Act is repealed, EU law is superior law in the UK.

"And the remainiacs all know that, because they know that it takes two to tango and any extension has to be agreed by the council."

The Brexiteer urged Leave voters to trust the prime minister, who he described as a "copper-bottomed Eurosceptic" who has "put his political career on the line" in order to leave the EU.

Mr Rees-Mogg argued that the EU "could act swiftly" when necessary, adding: "The 31 October is a really proper deadline. The prime minister has made it absolutely clear that we will leave by 31 October.

"I think that's what the whole nation now wants us to do, they want this issue finished, they want it settled.

"Therefore there is great urgency and the EU and the UK will have to move very quickly to make that work."

Time is running out to hammer out a deal for EU leaders to sign off at the European Council summit on Thursday and Friday, despite talks taking place over the weekend.

The EU's chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, said "technical-level" talks between officials over the weekend had proved "constructive".

But in a briefing to ambassadors of the remaining EU27 on Sunday in Brussels, he said that "a lot of work remains to be done".
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Mon 14 Oct, 2019 04:59 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The Queen's Speech (she just stopped saying what Boris wrote down for her) didn't give any news: the government wants a new partnership with the EU, departure from the European Union on 31 October, new regimes for fisheries and agriculture, an immigration bill, ending free movement, will be introduced ...

The speech contained the proposal of 26 new or returning bills, more than a third of which relate to new arrangements following departure from the EU.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Mon 14 Oct, 2019 09:32 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Britons in Europe face citizens' rights 'lottery' in event of no deal
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The challenges for British nationals will vary across the 27 EU member states if a withdrawal agreement is not ratified. The European commission has suggested member states should take a “generous” approach, but apart from Ireland none of the EU member states are said by citizens groups to be offering terms on a par with the approach taken by the British government.

In the event of a no-deal exit, the estimated 3.6 million EU citizens who reside in the UK would have until the end of 2020 to register for settled status through a free online application in which they need to prove only their identity and that they live in the UK, and declare any criminal convictions.

Despite the repeated calls by the European parliament for the UK to improve its offer, many of the estimated 1.2 million British nationals living in the other 27 EU member states would be in significantly worse situations.

• The 8,500 British citizens living in Austria face paying €210 for a residence permit or €195 for each child up to the age of six. France would charge €119. Some member states, including Germany, are yet to decide on the size of the fee.
• Retired or otherwise non-economically active people who have lived in France for less than five years would have to apply each year for a visitor card costing €269, leaving those who are new to the country with a potential cost of more than €1,000. Self-employed Britons would need to show they have sufficient resources for their family, with a couple with two children required to provide evidence of an income of around €1,175 a month.
• Denmark is yet to make a permanent offer for those seeking to stay beyond a “temporary transitional period” up to the end of 2019.
• Two thousand Britons living in Poland who apply for long-term residency permits would have to prove they have not spent more than 10 months outside Poland in the last five years.
• Grace periods for late applications range from three months after Brexit day in Germany – although that initial proposal is set to be extended to nine months when finally legislated – to three years for those living in Hungary.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 14 Oct, 2019 10:04 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The House of Commons library has become the latests Brexit-monitoring body to try its hand at a ‘What happens next?’ flowchart.

Quote:
https://i.imgur.com/lPNKWRS.jpg


House of Commons Library: Brexit scenarios: What could happen after the European Council meeting?
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The European Council will meet later this week (17-18 October). This meeting is particularly significant as it’s the last scheduled EU leaders’ meeting before the scheduled Brexit date of 31 October.

The Benn Act, passed by Parliament in September, places several requirements on the Government which also make this European Council meeting significant. This Insight sets out the different Brexit scenarios that could unfold following the meeting.

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