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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 24 Sep, 2019 07:01 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 24 Sep, 2019 07:17 am
@Walter Hinteler,
UK PM Johnson's response to ruling he unlawfully suspended parliament
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NEW YORK (Reuters) - The United Kingdom Supreme Court ruled on Tuesday that Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s decision to shut down parliament in the run-up to Brexit was unlawful, a decision that thrusts Britain’s exit from the European Union into deeper turmoil.

Here is Johnson’s reaction, as told to reporters in New York where he is attending the United Nations General Assembly:

“As the law currently stands, the UK leaves the EU on October 31st come what may but the exciting thing for us now is to get a good deal - and that is what we are working on.

And to be honest it is not made much easier by this kind of stuff in parliament or in the courts.

Obviously getting a deal is not made much easier against this background but we are going to get on and do it.

As the law stands, we leave on October 31 and I am very hopeful that we will get a deal and I think what the people of the country want is to see parliamentarians coming together, working in the national interest to get this thing done and that is what we are going to do.”
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 24 Sep, 2019 08:07 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The EU thinks that the UK has failed to come up with adequate replacement for Irish backstop. That was the EU's view before the judgement ... and unsurprisingly hasn't changed afterwards.

Most likely, the rebel Conservative MPs and the opposition will have control of Parliament tomorrow.
But that's it ... until they get consensus by then to do what ever it might be.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 24 Sep, 2019 09:16 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 24 Sep, 2019 10:45 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Hours after the historic ruling against the prime minister by Britain's top court, Donald Trump has said it would be "terrible" if Boris Johnson's Brexit plan was blocked .
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 24 Sep, 2019 11:37 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Jeremy Corbyn’s spokesman said: "We will use every mechanism we can to bring about an early election and the only condition being that we need to ensure that they can’t use that to force a crash-out of the European Union without a deal." (The Guardian)
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 24 Sep, 2019 11:40 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar said on Tuesday he had held a good meeting with Britain's Boris Johnson but they had not reached an agreement on how to resolve their differences over Brexit. (Reuters)
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Olivier5
 
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Tue 24 Sep, 2019 12:11 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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Donald Trump has said it would be "terrible" if Boris Johnson's Brexit plan was blocked .

That assumes BoJo's got a plan...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 24 Sep, 2019 12:19 pm
@Olivier5,
Trump also said that Johnson was "doing a really good job" and that he was going to make "really great progress in October and November".
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 24 Sep, 2019 12:34 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The Irish Taoiseach has said, he and Boris Johnson reached "no agreements by any means" after their meeting in New York. Leo Varadkar said he "got into some more details" with Johnson during the meeting on Tuesday, but stressed nothing concrete had been agreed.

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We are very keen that there be a deal, that the UK should be able to leave the European Union in an orderly fashion. That’s in Ireland’s interest, it’s in Britain’s interest too.

But there are certain guarantees that we expect to be honoured; that there won’t be a hard border between North and South.... that North-South cooperation will continue as envisaged by the Good Friday Agreement, that what was given to us by the British government back in December 2017.


To that Johnson added: "It certainly will."

Later, a Downing Street spokesperson said:
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The prime minister met with Taoiseach Leo Varadkar at the UN General Assembly today. They discussed the Brexit talks and the ideas that the UK has been putting forward, including on the issue of consent.

The prime minister was clear that the UK would be leaving on 31 October and said that he was cautiously optimistic that we would be able to do so through negotiating a deal which is acceptable to both sides.

The prime minister underlined his steadfast commitment to the Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement and said that we will never place infrastructure, checks or controls at the border.

They agreed on the vital importance of ensuring the peace, prosperity and security of Northern Ireland. The leaders agreed to stay in close contact in coming days.
Quotes via The Guardian
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Olivier5
 
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Tue 24 Sep, 2019 12:55 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Especially in November, I would think... After Brexit that is. (where's the praying to God emoticon?)
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 24 Sep, 2019 01:50 pm
@Olivier5,
Boris Johnson spoke to the Queen after today’s court ruling, a government official has said, declining to give any no more details.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 24 Sep, 2019 10:46 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 24 Sep, 2019 10:52 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The Scotsman has a striking front page, with a full page photograph of Johnson’s face in black and white with the headline in red text and a quote from John Major on its front: "No prime minister must ever treat the monarch or Parliament in this way again."

https://i.imgur.com/xShl4dW.jpg
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2019 04:05 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Jacob Rees-Mogg, the leader of the Commons, reportedly described the supreme court judgement as a "constitutional coup" when cabinet ministers spoke on a conference call last night.

Jacob Rees-Mogg Calls Supreme Court Ruling A 'Constitutional Coup'
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2019 04:08 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Boris Johnson is a winner like Manchester City boss Pep Guardiola, Michael Gove has said. The Cabinet Office minister told LBC:
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I think it is only fair to say that Boris is the Pep Guardiola of British politics.


Asked about the court “humiliation”, Gove also said:

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Words like humiliation are good journalistic hyperbole.


In response to a question on whether the prime minister’s losing streak would be longer than Tottenham Hotspur’s, Gove said:
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No, look, the prime minister is a born winner ... he was mayor of London twice, he beat Ken Livingstone twice.
Via The Guardian
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2019 04:11 am
@Walter Hinteler,
This tweet is from Robert Buckland, the justice secretary and Lord Chancellor. It may be a veiled dig at his cabinet colleague, Jacob Rees-Mogg.

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georgeob1
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2019 10:32 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Jacob Rees-Mogg, the leader of the Commons, reportedly described the supreme court judgement as a "constitutional coup" when cabinet ministers spoke on a conference call last night.

In many ways I believe it was just that. The UK Supreme Court is a fairly recent addition to British governance and many past PMs had done the same thing as Johnson and under similar circumstances.

The public tumult and the intensity of the discord that attends it appears to be increasing across the Western World.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 25 Sep, 2019 11:11 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
In many ways I believe it was just that. The UK Supreme Court is a fairly recent addition to British governance and many past PMs had done the same thing as Johnson and under similar circumstances.
Really? Such was done by "many past PMs" "under similar circumstances"?

The Supreme Court of the United Kingdom was formally established on 1 October 2009, following the Judicial functions of the House of Lords as the court of last resort within the United Kingdom.

All judgments of the Law Lords since 14 November 1996 to 30 July 2009 are available on the Parliament website.
Judgments prior to 1996 can be found in the archives from 1621 onwards.

Experts more knowable in the UK's constitutional law than I am have said that there is no direct precedent in case law - because this power has not been exercised in this way before.

But even if you and Rees-Mogg are correct that the Supreme Court did a ‘constitutional coup’ - the ruling of the 11 judges was unanimously.
Even if it was ‘the most extraordinary overthrowing of the constitution’ -the court’s decision is final, from which there is no appeal.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 26 Sep, 2019 06:52 am
@Walter Hinteler,
British PM Johnson defends use of Brexit 'surrender act'
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LONDON (Reuters) - Prime Minister Boris Johnson on Thursday defended his decision to use the term “surrender act” when speaking about a new law that forces him to seek a Brexit delay if he fails to secure a deal to leave the European Union.

At a meeting of the 1922 Committee of Conservative lawmakers on Thursday, Johnson won support for his argument that the law undermined his negotiating position in Brussels and that he was within his rights to describe is as a “surrender act”.

Johnson was criticized by opposition lawmakers and some in his own Conservative Party for using such language on Wednesday, with some saying it not only deepened divisions but also could incite violence against those working in parliament.

A Conservative lawmaker said Johnson told the committee: “It IS a surrender act,” arguing that it hurt Britain’s negotiating stance with the EU. But the prime minister added that he took threats to lawmakers very seriously.

The lawmaker also quoted Johnson as saying that he could still secure an agreement to leave the EU by Oct. 31, but that negotiations with Ireland on customs were “difficult”.

Johnson hails what he describes as progress in the Brexit talks, but EU officials say Britain has yet to come up with “legal and operational” proposals to solve the thorniest issue of customs arrangements for the new border between British province of Northern Ireland and Ireland after Brexit.
 

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