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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2019 12:19 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The ARTE documentary "Brexit - The Clock is Ticking" is available from today until 31/05/2019

https://i.imgur.com/Fc8kOqq.jpg
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From June 2017 until January 2019, filmmaker Alain de Halleux was granted exclusive access to Michel Barnier, the European Union’s chief Brexit negotiator. Month after gruelling month, de Halleux gets behind the scenes of the tense, frustrating and long negotiations between the EU and the UK with interviews with important public figures (Donald Tusk, Tony Blair, Yanis Varoufakis) as well as ordinary British citizens. What next for Brexit as the clock continues ticking?


>Link to documentary online<
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livinglava
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2019 02:13 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Offensive posts get deleted, once in a while. Did you insult anyone?

I think I did write an explained critique of an another poster. I guess it was taken as an insult and deleted for that reason. It would have been nice if they'd just delete the insulting part and/or notify me so I could revise what I said to sound less insulting.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 17 Apr, 2019 12:30 am
@livinglava,
Or maybe you just forgot to hit the "reply" button. Most of what you post is BS anyway.
livinglava
 
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Reply Wed 17 Apr, 2019 05:20 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Or maybe you just forgot to hit the "reply" button. Most of what you post is BS anyway.

Unlikely I forgot to post the "reply" button, but not impossible, of course.

"Most of what I post" might seem like BS if you think a certain way and avoid certain thoughts that could lead to questioning things that aren't always questioned.

It's important to realize that what is ostensible is designed to influence markets and politics in specific ways. There is a general taboo against conspiracy theory, but we have to realize that such a taboo only aides those who use lies to manipulate.

Instead of calling BS on things I say, you should look for bigger fish to fry. There is a lot more powerful BS circulating than my searchlighting.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 17 Apr, 2019 05:28 am
@livinglava,
Facts still exist in my world, and they trump theory.

You seem to think that you can invent reality, that you can make a wild speculation and it becomes a fact or at least something worth considering, by some kind of magic. That may work in the post-truth environment where you live (the US or Russia, I can't tell), but Walt and I are somewhat old-fashioned West European folks, interested in facts.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 17 Apr, 2019 05:52 am
https://www.chappatte.com/prod/wp-content/uploads/artworks/2017/09/I170913cf-small-950x544.jpg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 17 Apr, 2019 11:55 am
High-tech solution to avoid hard Northern Ireland border 'decade away', leaked Home Office document says
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Any hi-tech solution to the problem of how to keep the Northern Ireland border open after Brexit is at least ten years away, a leaked Home Office document has said.

The memo said the cost and complexity of using new technology to remove the need for border checks meant "the challenges of this work cannot be underestimated".

The finding will come as a blow to Eurosceptic Conservative MPs, who have repeatedly insisted that technology could be used to keep the border open in the event of a no-deal Brexit, removing the need for the controversial Northern Ireland backstop.

The memo, seen by Sky News, was drawn up by the Home Office's Policy Unit and sent to Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs (HMRC) and the Treasury. It says there could be a possible technological solution but that it would come with a huge array of difficulties.

The solution would involve companies uploading data on goods and using blockchain technology, sensors and automated collection to pay tariffs.

The memo said: "If all these technologies are brought together this could allow a seamless collection and analysis of the data needed. It would also provide the ability to target interventions away from the border itself."

But it also warned of a series of practical problems in introducing the technology, including cost, time and complexity.

It said: "The challenges of this work cannot be underestimated... No government worldwide currently controls different customs arrangements with no physical infrastructure present at the border."

Warning that the technology would take over a decade to introduce, the document said: "Current realisation for a similar technological solution in the UK is 2030."

The memo also highlighted the cost and difficulty of implementing such a project and questioned whether the government would be able to deliver it.

It said: "Any future system must operate with 28 government agencies and a myriad of interconnected existing and planned IT systems. There is currently no budget for either a pilot or the programme itself. And it will be expensive.

"This suite of technology would need to operate on both sides of the border; as such it would require agreement and commitment from Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland and possibly the EU too. It is a big and complex project, with possibly tight deadlines.

"Government does not have the strongest track record on delivery of large tech projects."
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 17 Apr, 2019 12:00 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Irish government will pay for European health card for citizens in Northern Ireland after EU exit
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Ireland will pay for the European Health Insurance Card for citizens in Northern Ireland after Brexit if necessary, the foreign minister has said.

Simon Coveney, who also serves as the country’s Tanaiste (deputy to the Taoiseach) said his government will work to ensure that “Irish citizens in Northern Ireland continue to be EU citizens in all circumstances.”

Speaking in parliament on Tuesday, Mr Coveney said that while Irish citizens in Northern Ireland are EU citizens, they will not be resident in the EU after Brexit, “which obviously poses challenges.”

He explained: “In terms of the rights of EU citizenship, we are working, and have been working to ensure certain EU programmes and benefits – notably, the EU Health Insurance Card.”

The free European Health Insurance Card ensures that EU citizens have access to state-provided healthcare during a temporary stay in any EU countries.

Mr Coveney said the Irish government “are working, and will ensure, that we extend that right to Northern Ireland. That will involve passing legislation here, and it will involve the Irish government, if necessary, paying for that insurance cover for citizens in Northern Ireland, in the same way as EU citizens would have.”

This marks the first time the Irish Department of Foreign Affairs has committed to pay for the insurance for citizens in Northern Ireland, which The Irish Times says is estimated to cost around €4 million a year.

Mr Coveney said similar preparations are being made around the Erasmus+ programme, to ensure students in Northern Ireland “can continue to benefit from accessing universities right across the European Union.”

“We are working to make sure that the practical benefits that come with EU citizenship continue to apply to people in Northern Ireland, and if necessary, we will fund that.”

Mr Coveney also addressed wider concerns about the status of EU citizens in Northern Ireland after Brexit, and said the Irish government is actively seeking the outcome of a review into this issue which was promised to him by Theresa May in February.

He said: “We do expect the British government will follow through on both the language and the spirit of the Good Friday Agreement, in terms of ensuring that there are no consequences or disadvantages for people, of choosing to be Irish or British or both.

“People in Northern Ireland should not be required to renounce Irish or British citizenship in order to access an entitlement. This question has specifically arisen in relation to immigration rules.”

“Being Irish, whether you’re north or south of the border on this island, also means that you have the rights and privileges of EU citizenship.”
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 17 Apr, 2019 12:09 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Theresa May facing grassroots no-confidence vote as Farage's new Brexit Party takes commanding poll lead
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Theresa May could face an unprecedented no-confidence vote among grassroots Tories, as the prospect of a crushing defeat in European elections looms.

Local party chairs have been circulating a petition that is on course to force the National Conservative Convention to hold an extraordinary general meeting where members could pressure the prime minister to resign.

The plot emerged as a poll showed Nigel Farage‘s new Brexit Party had stormed into the lead ahead of EU parliament elections next month.

A YouGov poll, commissioned by the People’s Vote campaign, puts the Brexit Party on 27 per cent, ahead of Labour on 22 per cent with the Conservatives trailing on 15 per cent.

It follows the burst of publicity the Brexit Party received with the launch last week of its election campaign, when it was announced that Annunziata Rees-Mogg – the sister of the leading Tory Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg – would be among its candidates.

It will reinforce fears among ministers the Conservatives are heading for a crushing defeat if the poll on 23 May goes ahead as planned – a result which would almost certainly see fresh calls for Ms May to quit.

The prime minister has said she is determined to get a Brexit deal through Parliament before that date, which would mean voting would be cancelled.

However, that not only means winning a “meaningful vote” on a deal – which has already been rejected three times by the Commons – but also then passing a bill formally ratifying the agreement in law.

Much is likely to depend on whether cross-party talks with Labour can agree a common way forward – with the two sides expected to take stock of progress when MPs return to Westminster after the Easter recess.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Wed 17 Apr, 2019 01:48 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Facts still exist in my world, and they trump theory.

If you think facts and theory are in opposition, then you don't understand either.

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You seem to think that you can invent reality, that you can make a wild speculation and it becomes a fact or at least something worth considering, by some kind of magic. That may work in the post-truth environment where you live (the US or Russia, I can't tell), but Walt and I are somewhat old-fashioned West European folks, interested in facts.

What nonsense. There are interests and they are often pursued without announcing themselves.

In a world where much is covert, assuming the ostensible to be the ultimate reality is as good as lying.

If I see Notre Dame burning not long after yellow vests rampaged much in the same area, it leads me to question who stands to gain. If people want jobs and economic investment, destruction works in their interest. It is not a new thing.

The fact that you are accusing and attacking me for thinking this way only shows which side you are on: i.e. destruction and waste in the service of economic pursuits.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 17 Apr, 2019 02:04 pm
@livinglava,
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If I see Notre Dame burning not long after yellow vests rampaged much in the same area, it leads me to question who stands to gain. If people want jobs and economic investment, destruction works in their interest. 

Oh is that what you were talking about? The jaunes setting Notre Dame on fire?

It's not impossible that someone did it on purpose. The scaffoldings could provide an access, for someone balsy enough. Some of these folks into "Urban Exploration" specialize in scaffolding exploration... One of them could have went up to smoke a joint and enjoy the view and then ooops... Or it's one of the workers who screwed up...

I guess it's going to be hard to positively rule foulplay out. On the other hand they might find some traces of controled fire, like handkerchief with gasoline on it or something, but that too seems unlikely. It's a big mess.
livinglava
 
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Reply Wed 17 Apr, 2019 03:54 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

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If I see Notre Dame burning not long after yellow vests rampaged much in the same area, it leads me to question who stands to gain. If people want jobs and economic investment, destruction works in their interest. 

Oh is that what you were talking about? The jaunes setting Notre Dame on fire?

It's not impossible that someone did it on purpose. The scaffoldings could provide an access, for someone balsy enough. Some of these folks into "Urban Exploration" specialize in scaffolding exploration... One of them could have went up to smoke a joint and enjoy the view and then ooops... Or it's one of the workers who screwed up...

I guess it's going to be hard to positively rule foulplay out. On the other hand they might find some traces of controled fire, like handkerchief with gasoline on it or something, but that too seems unlikely. It's a big mess.

You have to assume that there are people who can get away with things without leaving traces.

What I was talking about before were two potential sets of interests behind all the Brexit drama:
1) that EU separatists (i.e. nationalists) are concentrating on getting the UK to break away from the EU to start a chain that leads to other member states leaving.
2) that investors and markets are being manipulated by the Brexit drama and so they will just keep postponing the deadline, changing the terms, etc. to manipulate markets.

Have you noticed that the Notre Dame rebuild is being talked about in terms of a five or ten year plan. That plan allows investors to bank on how much money is going to be spent on contracts for the duration of the plan, so they'll be designing an economic growth plan around it as a stimulus project. If that's not an impetus for burning it . . .

Of course if there are major state/economic players in on such destructive economic manipulation, it won't come out. It will be like 9/11 conspiracy theorizing to even suspect it. For my part, it just bothers me that things get destroyed/wasted and it also bothers me to think people are covertly manipulating the economy instead of just reforming economic behavior in the direction of less waste for the benefit of all the people and sustainability.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 18 Apr, 2019 12:20 am
@livinglava,
So you think the destruction of the World Trade Center on 9/11 was an inside job by the bankers?
livinglava
 
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Reply Thu 18 Apr, 2019 02:50 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

So you think the destruction of the World Trade Center on 9/11 was an inside job by the bankers?

You're taking the analysis a step too far. All you should do is look at who stands to benefit.

The 9/11 attacks created a lot of destruction and thus a lot of contracts/jobs/payouts/etc. This is the same when churches are destroyed. There is a reason people commit arson for insurance fraud. People may get away with it in many cases, but of course there is always a truth lurking hidden away when they do.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 19 Apr, 2019 06:01 am
@livinglava,
So 9/11 was done by construction companies, so that they would get reconstruction contracts?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 19 Apr, 2019 07:04 am
Violence picking up in Northern Ireland, as was predictable.

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Lyra McKee murder: Journalist shot dead during Derry rioting 
19 April 2019 - Northern Ireland
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-47985469

A journalist has been shot dead during rioting in Londonderry that police are treating as a "terrorist incident".

Dissident republicans are being blamed for killing 29-year-old Lyra McKee during rioting after police searches in Derry's Creggan area on Thursday night.

The Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) said the New IRA "are likely to be the ones behind this" and detectives have started a murder inquiry.

Prime Minister Theresa May said the murder was "shocking and senseless".

[...] Taoiseach (Irish Prime Minister) Leo Varadkar said: [...] "We cannot allow those who want to propagate violence, fear and hate to drag us back to the past."

Oh but we can, Leo. All it takes is Brexit...
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livinglava
 
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Reply Fri 19 Apr, 2019 07:11 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

So 9/11 was done by construction companies, so that they would get reconstruction contracts?

There is a complex economy of human communication and action-networks that result in historical patterns of causation. Causation is not directly mechanical, the way it is with a non-living/non-human machine or system of machines; but there are patterns of influence where, usually, independent human determination proves insufficient to prevent lower desires from culminating in harmful manifestations.

The dot-com bubble started bursting in 2000, for example, before the 9/11 attacks/destruction:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble

In the wake of economic downturn, people could calm themselves and choose to weather the recession by cutting their expenditures and focusing on basic needs like food and preserving/conserving resources. Too often, however, humans burn through their money and resources and then they get pushy to find more money to go on spending at levels they could have reduced before running low on money.

Often the problem is that people borrow to go on spending and investing bullishly, in hopes that they will be able to keep up with their debt payments, but when they are struggling, they fall under pressure from creditors to keep up with payments somehow or face credit default consequences. Such pressures somehow circulate around the economy in such a way that various destructive and/or wasteful manifestations emerge as a desperate attempt to produce more cash flow where it shouldn't actually be necessary.

In short, because too many people fail to manage their money well and cut their spending in time to save money to weather periods of constrained revenue/income, they end up putting bull-pressure on each other and that pressure culminates in destructive/wasteful activities that effectuate new investment/spending for the sake of resisting deflationary forces, which would improve the economy tremendously if people could manage to deal with deflation in civilized and non-destructive/wasteful ways.

PATTERN OF CHURCH ATTACKS

Now, considering that there has been a pattern of destructive attacks against churches recently, as well as a pattern of sexual abuse accusations that effectuate financial transfers from churches to victims due to the behavior of certain clergy, what are the chances that such patterns are random coincidence verses there being some pattern of copycat attack in the interest of generating some form of economic/financial gain?

Of course it is possible that these are just random accidents, but then why do they occur in such patterned ways across numerous distant locations? It looks more like a social movement than random coincidence, so then the question is what motive could there be for such destruction, and that should lead you to think about what spending/investment is stimulated by it, including insurance payouts, charitable donations, reconstruction plans that can be leveraged to borrow from banks/investors/bonds, etc. etc.

Also consider that such "creative destruction" isn't a new phenomenon, so there is probably a whole covert business of networking to effectuate such destruction and waste for profit, with many networks of kickbacks and other money laundering to pass the money around to everyone who is good at keeping quiet, the same as with any clandestine industry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_destruction
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 20 Apr, 2019 01:28 am
@livinglava,
So who blew up the Twin Towers, according to you?
livinglava
 
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Reply Sat 20 Apr, 2019 07:31 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

So who blew up the Twin Towers, according to you?

Anything anyone says about such a high-profile act of destruction is going to be tainted by misinformation designed to mislead away from the true cause, so it's pointless speculating about the exact causes.

If you would read my previous post, you would understand that there are broader social-economic patterns of causation that account for such destruction.

We don't have much power to stop others from failing at economic austerity and thus peace/prosperity, but when they fail and such destruction occurs, it extends the culture of waste/destruction for economic gain further into the future, practically guaranteeing that we will continue reaping these negative seeds that we keep sowing.

All you can really do is see the patterns and shake your head at the collective human failure to avert further destruction and waste. You can preach austerity, but when you do you will see the anger and pride rise up against your critique of greed, envy, lust, etc. You can tell those angry, prideful anti-austerity monsters that their attitude is responsible for the waste and destruction, and that they should humble their economic expectations for the sake of protecting the planet/climate and its sustainability but they mostly won't care because money and what it buys are all they care about.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 21 Apr, 2019 12:09 am
The renewed postponement of Brexit could cost the EU Parliament several million euros. According to the German Sunday newspaper "Bild am Sonntag", the salary of British MEPs would add up to 21 million euros if the British did not leave the international community until 31 October.

A further postponement would increase the costs even further. The British parliamentarians would cost the EU parliament around 36 million euros annually, the newspaper reports, citing calculations by German CDU MEP Ingeborg Gräßle.
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