Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

@Walter Hinteler,

I'm almost sure more problems will be identified in the future on Brexit.

@cicerone imposter,

The view from the UK:

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Britain and the European Union are "closing in" on a withdrawal agreement, Brexit minister Dominic Raab said on Friday, before a meeting of European leaders in Salzburg next week.

reuters

And the EU:

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The European Union's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier said on Friday that key differences remained between the EU and Britain over the future of the Irish border and the EU's system of protecting food names.

reuters

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@Walter Hinteler,

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Theresa May has told the BBC that MPs will have a choice between her proposed deal with the EU - or no deal at all.

In an interview with Panorama, she is also critical of plans by Brexiteers to resolve the Irish border issue.

But ex-foreign secretary Boris Johnson claims the government's failure to resolve the border question has led to a "constitutional abomination".

A BBC-commissioned survey indicates more people across the UK think the impact of Brexit will be negative.
... ... ...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45543609][b]BBC[/b]

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@Walter Hinteler,

Reality Check: Is the UK ready for Brexit?
How are Brexit preparations getting on?

Additional information: Why is Brexit taking sooo long?

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45543609][b]BBC[/b]

That link doesn't work. This on is better I think:
BBC

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@najmelliw,

Bedankt!

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@Walter Hinteler,

When the UK leaves Europe next year it will finally liberate itself from the shackles of free trade and free movement. Its citizens are eagerly looking forward to their new found freedoms of paying for trade tariffs and travel visas. They are also keen to see an end to the £5 billion a year that the EU invests in the UK.

If you want to know what initiatives, companies, research projects and other organisations will be liberated from their EU funding then you should check >MyEU< . MyEU is an interactive map which shows some of the initiatives and projects currently funded by the EU. If you search the map by address or postcode you can where the EU invests money in the local area.

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@Walter Hinteler,

I think the UK shot itself in the proverbial foot with the Brexit, so to speak. At least economically speaking, that is.

But even if some sort of second referendum is happening, and Britain does decide to stay in the EU after all, what would the consequences be? I mean, should there be some sort of fine? I am of the opinion there should be. This was a long and costly process for both sides... You can't just reverse your decision, right?

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@najmelliw,

najmelliw wrote:

I mean, should there be some sort of fine? I am of the opinion there should be.

that

or force them to go through with it with no deal and no way back in for a decade or so

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@ehBeth,

A "no deal Brexit would be something what could be colloquially described as "See, that's what you get out of it."
And it would be a harsh punishment for many, especially those, who wanted to stay in the EU.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

And it would be a harsh punishment for many, especially those, who wanted to stay in the EU.

maybe they could have found a better/stronger way to present the benefits of being part of the EU a few years back. I do hold some of them partially to blame. A lot of the pros/cons that are being presented now were known but not pushed before the Brexit vote.

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@ehBeth,

Immigration myths that fuelled Brexit blown apart by major government-commissioned report

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Key myths on the negative impacts of EU immigration have been blown apart by a major report commissioned by the government.

The document found EU citizens have little impact on UK workers’ wages, pay more in taxes, have no adverse impact on young Britons’ schooling, are not linked to increasing crime and contribute “much more” to the NHS than they consume.

It did highlight how immigration helped push up house prices, but concluded the rise is directly linked to a broader failure to build new homes.
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A key argument deployed was that cheap EU labour depressed British workers’ pay, but the report said: “In terms of wages the existing evidence and the analysis we present in the report suggests that migration is not a major determinate of the wages of UK-born workers.
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But the benefits to the public purse were clear with the report concluding that EU migrants contribute £2,300 more to the exchequer each year in net terms than the average adult.

Over their lifetimes, they pay in £78,000 more than they take out in public services and benefits, while the average UK citizen’s net lifetime contribution is zero.

The impact of migrants on the NHS is often cited by those arguing for lower immigration, but the MAC report said: “EEA migrants contribute much more to the health service and the provision of social care in financial resources and through work than they consume in services.

“EEA workers are an increasing share of the health and social care workforces though these sectors employ greater numbers of non-EEA migrants.

“There is no evidence that migration has reduced the quality of healthcare.”

Turning to schools the report said: “We find no evidence that migration has reduced parental choice in schools or the educational attainment of UK-born children.

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@Walter Hinteler,

They will also be free of the bureaucratic rule in Brussels which increasingly appears to believe that it alone knows what is really good for them.

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@georgeob1,

Not if they want to stay in the common market.

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@Walter Hinteler,

According to information from SPIEGEL, the EU Commission will discuss on Wednesday whether to take the British government to the European Court of Justice (ECJ) to recover several billion euros in tax revenue.

It would be the next stage in the so-called infringement procedure initiated by the EU Commission in March. The case concerns shoes and textiles from China, which had been imported into the EU far below value via Great Britain. As a result, the EU lost 2.7 billion euros in tax revenue between 2011 and 2017, the EU Commission said in March.

EU member states are obliged to levy customs duties on imports from third countries and pay them to the EU after deducting a fee. London must therefore pay the 2.7 billion euros to the EU, the Commission argues - especially as Brussels had already pointed out the risk of fraud in 2007 without London having reacted.

Following the Commission's first letter in March, the UK Government had two months to reply. However, from Brussels' point of view, the reply did not appear to be satisfactory and the Commission sent a formal request to London to restore EU law. But even that has not yet happened from the Commission's point of view. The next step would now be to go to the European Court of Justice (ECJ). Whether or not a decision will be made in favour of an action at the meeting on Wednesday, however, is still open, according to reports.

Source: spiegel-online

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@Walter Hinteler,

Wow! I'm sure there will be more bad news for England.

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@cicerone imposter,

Actually it's primarily bad news for PM May.

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

They will also be free of the bureaucratic rule in Brussels which increasingly appears to believe that it alone knows what is really good for them.

Well, besides what was said by Oliver - they are still a member of the Council of Europe, even after a hard Brexit. And being a member state of the Council of Europe means ... that a lot of what Brexiters want to abolish will still be there.

[url]... the bureaucratic rule in Brussels which increasingly appears to believe that it alone knows what is really good for them.[/url]That's similar to what is done in any government anywhere. And silar to that, the EU has the EU-Parliament and the Council of the European Union as the bicameral institutions to regulate that.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Clearly a large segment of the British population is insufficiently grateful to their bureaucratic masters in Brussels.

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@georgeob1,

Not only in Britain. But in Britain, they are less informed about how the EU works than in any other EU-country.

And clearly a large segment of the British population is insufficiently grateful to their bureaucratic masters in London as well.

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