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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
ehBeth
 
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Fri 2 Mar, 2018 09:52 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
extra cherries on the Brexit cake


I recommend sour cherries to make soup with.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 20 Mar, 2018 02:06 am
@ehBeth,
Meanwhile, the UK was forced to make series of major concessions to reach a transition agreement with the EU.
The border issue between Ireland and Northern Oreland is still not solved, but it looks as if the UK accepts that Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic would stay in regulatory alignment unless a hard border can be avoided either by a future trade deal or new technology.
And the transition period cannot be extended; the future relationship cannot be negotiated until the transition is over; and Britain must abide by European court of justice rulings during the transition and continue paying into the EU budget until 2064.
A climbdown down for the UK regarding fisheries as well: Britain has to allow EU vessels continued access to its fisheries and permit free movement (with the same rights) throughout the transition period. Nor can it implement any trade deals negotiated with third countries until after 2020.

The New Statesman’s political editor, George Eaton, writes that the transition agreement shows “the EU, not the UK, has taken back control” – leave politicians have been forced to back down on every front:
The Brexit transition deal shows that the EU, not the UK, has taken back control
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 20 Mar, 2018 07:47 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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The draft Brexit agreement struck between Britain and the EU on Monday leaves Brits who have made their lives on the continent with “no more certainty” about what will happen to them after the UK leaves, MEPs and citizens’ groups have warned.

Chief amongst the mysteries of the deal is the disappearance of the so-called “Article 32”, which in previous drafts regulated the free movement of British citizens living in Europe after Brexit. The entire article is missing from the text, which goes straight from Article 31 to Article 33.

MEPs from the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats, Greens, SNP, and Plaid Cymru have written to Brexit Secretary David Davis for clarification about the disappearance of the free movement clause, while citizens’ group British In Europe said the agreed text did not provide “legal certainty” for them.
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Olivier5
 
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Fri 23 Mar, 2018 10:14 am
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Brexit shambles, part 173.

After getting itself into a tizzy about freeing itself from the yoke of maroon EU passports and replacing them with the more traditional blue UK ones – I’ve always thought my old passports in my desk at home were black – the government has come under fire for awarding the contract to print the new ones to a Franco-Dutch firm rather than to the British company De La Rue.

For some, including the former cabinet minister Priti Patel, this was more than a PR disaster. It was a “national humiliation” and UK citizens would never recover from the shame of having to present a passport that wasn’t British through and through at border checks.

The whole point of leaving the EU, apparently, was so that Britain could pay £120m over the odds for something it could have got cheaper from mainland Europe. And there was I thinking that Brexit was meant to be about opening up to the world, rather than shutting ourselves off. I will obviously need to re-educate myself.

So how about a campaign to send Vermeers and other Dutch masters’ paintings back to Holland? Keep the National Gallery national.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/23/rhino-death-rotten-kipper-farage-national-humiliation-brexit
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 23 Mar, 2018 10:26 am
@Olivier5,
Love the National Gallery in London; one of my favorites.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 26 Mar, 2018 06:22 am
The whistleblower who started the Facebook data scandal thinks, the Brexit was bought.
In an interview with SPIEGEL and several European newspapers, data analyst Christopher Wylie said that the narrow vote of the British to withdraw from the EU had been swindled by black accounts and "fraud". And his former employer Cambridge Analytica, a kind of "privatized NSA", plays a central role in this.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 26 Mar, 2018 09:12 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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A number of possible criminal offences may have been committed by members of the official Brexit campaign during the EU referendum, according to the expert view of some of Britain’s leading barristers.

Intensifying the pressure on senior figures within Theresa May’s cabinet and No 10 Downing Street, Helen Mountfield QC and Clare Montgomery QC of Matrix Chambers, concluded there is a “prima facie case” that a number of electoral offences were committed by the Vote Leave campaign.

An urgent investigation is required, they say, to determine whether the case should be referred to the Crown Prosecution Service.

Having examined a “significant body of new whistleblower evidence” which includes the testimony of three individuals with close knowledge of the Vote Leave campaign, the QC’s legal opinion is that “there would be realistic prospects of conviction” in relation to claims revealed in the Observer that Vote Leave may have flouted referendum spending rules during the EU referendum campaign.

The QCs said that, from the documents and files they have seen and which have now been sent to the Electoral Commission, there are “strong grounds” that Vote Leave overspent, as it channelled money through another campaign, which it may have been co-ordinating with. This, if proved true, amounts to a breach of electoral law.
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Olivier5
 
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Tue 27 Mar, 2018 11:59 am
Brexit may exclude UK from the EU's GPS satellite program
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 28 Mar, 2018 08:08 am
@Olivier5,
11 Brexit promises the government quietly dropped
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Olivier5
 
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Thu 29 Mar, 2018 05:24 am
As the saying goes, if it looks too good to be true, it's usually not true...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 3 Apr, 2018 12:42 am
@Olivier5,
https://i.imgur.com/dXqiqwMl.jpg
Olivier5
 
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Tue 3 Apr, 2018 06:39 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I do fear the UK is going to exit Brexit. It would be the rational thing to do for them.

Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 9 Apr, 2018 02:29 am
@Olivier5,
Ireland’s EU commissioner believes UK may never return to bloc – yet has no replacement plan for improving its citizens’ lives

EU leaders 'have accepted' that UK will not cancel Brexit
Olivier5
 
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Mon 9 Apr, 2018 05:14 am
@Walter Hinteler,
It may sound absurd but i am worried about wishful thinking here (mine and the Irish's). I won't believe Brexit until I see it happen. The move is so non-sensical that I keep thinking they are not going to carry it through... I mean, pragmatism used to be a Brit thing, no?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 9 Apr, 2018 01:21 pm
@Olivier5,
May's post-Brexit trade plan with EU dealt blow by key ally
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Theresa May’s plans for a Brexit deal that delivers frictionless trade with the EU have been dealt a blow by a key European ally who has said there will be more bureaucracy after leaving the bloc.

The Danish prime minister, Lars Løkke Rasmussen, said after talks with his UK counterpart in Copenhagen that there would be an inevitable price to pay for Britain leaving the single market.

Following a bilateral meeting with May, he told reporters at a joint press conference: “We should avoid too many changes in our relations and I am totally in favour of an enhanced trade agreement between the EU and UK.

“I hope if there’s willingness … we will close a deal which will be as close to what we know now as possible. But we have to be realistic and we have to realise that there will be changes. Leaving the single market comes with a price tag and unfortunately the price tag is also a Danish price tag.

“That is the reality of life. There will be more bureaucracy in future, unfortunately.”
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 16 Apr, 2018 10:27 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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New analysis shows that only 3 per cent of British exports go to Commonwealth countries with whom there is no trade deal already or where Britain is not already negotiating one through membership of the EU, whereas trade with the EU amounts to 43 per cent of all UK exports.

Some Brexiteers believe the 53-nation network could hold the key to Britain's future outside the EU, with international trade secretary Liam Fox declaring that Brexit could herald a "new era" for trade relationships with the Commonwealth.

But analysis from the House of Commons library, obtained by People's Vote campaigners, reveals UK exports of goods and services to the Commonwealth amounted to just 8.9 per cent of exports in 2016 - roughly the same as UK exports to Germany.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 16 Apr, 2018 11:33 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Brexit legislation caught in parliamentary logjam
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A parliamentary logjam will mean the government is likely to struggle to pass vital legislation paving the way for leaving the EU before the parliamentary vote on the final Brexit deal.

Almost half of all the legislation that is needed has yet to be even introduced by ministers.

MPs returned to parliament on Monday after the Easter recess – the 123rd day that parliament has sat since the general election – but the government is still to pass a single piece of Brexit legislation.

Parliament will only sit for another 80 days before MPs are expected to vote on the final Brexit deal struck between Theresa May and the European Union, scheduled for October.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 17 Apr, 2018 05:07 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Legality of Scottish and Welsh Brexit bills challenged
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The UK government is challenging the legality of emergency Brexit bills passed by the Scottish and Welsh parliaments after months of dispute about their policy-making powers.

The attorney general, Jeremy Wright QC, and the advocate general for Scotland, Lord Keen, said on Tuesday they had applied to the supreme court for a ruling on whether the devolved parliaments have the constitutional authority to legislate for Brexit.

Wright said the application could be dropped if the UK and devolved governments agreed a deal on how to divide up or share up to 153 policy areas currently controlled by the EU in areas such as farm payments, fishing quotas, GM crops, air quality and organ transplants.

The Guardian revealed last month that the two law officers were expected to go to the supreme court as the Scottish and Welsh governments published emergency legislation on Brexit that side-stepped Westminster’s EU withdrawal bill.
Their bills, which were passed on a fast-track timetable by their respective legislatures, were tabled after the three governments failed to agree on how these EU powers would be shared between them after Brexit. Their talks are continuing.

The Scottish and Welsh administrations accuse the UK government of a power-grab by seeking to centalise some of those powers in London, either temporarily or permanently, even though they are all managed by the devolved parliaments.

UK ministers deny the charge, insisting that 24 powers have to be shared and another 12 areas controlled at UK level to ensure consistent rules and to protect the UK’s internal market. They say that would mirror the EU’s system of ensuring consistency among member states.

There are already significant disputes over whether the Scottish and Welsh legislation goes beyond their constitutional powers.

Holyrood’s presiding officer, Ken Macintosh, ruled in February that the Scottish parliament did not have the authority to legislate on matters still controlled by another body, in this case the EU. Elin Jones, the Welsh assembly’s presiding officer, disagreed and said the assembly was able to do so on areas it already managed.

James Wolffe QC, the lord advocate and Scotland’s chief law officer, said he believed the measures were legal, in part because they could only be enacted after the UK had left the EU.

Wright said the UK government hoped to agree a deal before the case was heard by the supreme court. UK sources say the application to the supreme court had to be submitted before the devolved legislation receives royal assent later this week.

“This legislation risks creating serious legal uncertainty for individuals and businesses as we leave the EU,” the attorney general said. “This reference is a protective measure which we are taking in the public interest. The [UK] government very much hopes this issue will be resolved without the need to continue with this litigation.”

Lord Keen, who as advocate general is the UK government’s Scottish law officer, said: “By referring the Scottish parliament’s continuity bill to the supreme court, we are seeking legal certainty as to its competence.

“Given the presiding officer’s view at introduction that the bill was not within the legal scope of the [Scottish] parliament, we believe it is important to ask the court to provide absolute clarity. Particularly in the runup to Brexit, it is vital that we avoid legal uncertainty in our statute book.”

Mike Russell, the Scottish government’s Brexit minister, said he also wanted to resolve the dispute through negotiation, but said the lord advocate would defend Holyrood’s legislation if it went to court.

A Welsh government spokesman said it would also prefer to reach a political settlement.

Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 17 Apr, 2018 08:54 am
@Walter Hinteler,
PM May faces embarrassing Brexit defeat in upper house
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LONDON (Reuters) - Britain’s upper house of parliament is expected to inflict an embarrassing defeat on Theresa May’s government on Wednesday, challenging her refusal to remain in a customs union with the European Union after Brexit.

The prime minister, who has struggled to unite her Conservatives over Brexit, has said Britain will leave the EU’s single market and customs union after it quits the bloc next March so that London can negotiate its own free trade deals.

That stance has widened divisions within the party and raised the prospect of a defeat in parliament’s upper House of Lords, where the Conservatives do not command a majority.

Some Lords, from all parties, have indicated their support for an amendment to her Brexit blueprint, the EU withdrawal bill, which would require ministers to report what efforts they had made to secure a customs union by the end of October.

It does not explicitly say that Britain must reach a deal on such a union. Conservative lawmaker David Jones described it as an attempt “to give oxygen” to EU supporters in the lower house.

“It is a very strange amendment. Frankly it would not stop Brexit and it wouldn’t require us to stay in the customs union,” he told Reuters, adding he was not overly concerned by the vote.

The government is expected to suffer several defeats in the Lords over the remaining stages of the debate in the coming weeks.

Leader for the main opposition party in the Lords, Angela Smith, said the upper house’s amendments were a chance to offer May “an opportunity to bring forward sensible changes in response to concerns raised previously in the Lords”.

“A failure to do so however, will amount to kicking the can down what could be a very rocky road,” she said in a statement.

If the government is defeated, the bill will return to the House of Commons, where the prime minister could try to get support for a reversal of the amendment. Both houses have to agree on the final wording of the bill before it can become law.

A vote in the Commons could come as early as next month and would add pressure on May — some of whose own lawmakers want Britain to stay in a customs union with the EU — as talks start on a future trade deal with the bloc.

After losing the Conservative Party’s majority in an ill-judged election last June, May relies on the support of a small Northern Irish party to pass legislation.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 18 Apr, 2018 07:02 am
@Walter Hinteler,
[quote]Only Brexit could inspire this cynical, lost empire vision of CommonwealthSurveying the paucity of mentions of the Commonwealth in British political party manifestos in 2015, Philip Murphy, the professor of British and Commonwealth history at the School of Advanced Study, identified two trends to explain what he believed was its looming irrelevance.

“All in all,” he mused in an essay for the Conversation, “it is difficult to think of a single major achievement of the Commonwealth since 2010.

“But it’s also striking,” Murphy continued, “how a nostalgic conception of the ‘old’ Commonwealth still has a hold on the British imagination, and the right wing of politics in particular.”

As the biennial junket of the Commonwealth heads of government meeting takes place this week in London, Murphy’s comments – uttered before the reality of Brexit darkened the door of UK diplomacy – only serve to underline that never has there seemed an international body more in need of a purpose.

Its serial and increasingly lukewarm reinventions since the twilight of the British empire – from “British Commonwealth”, to Commonwealth, to its last repurposing in 2012 with the adoption of its first-ever charter – mirror that lack of a compelling raison d’être.

When it is talked up – for instance by the BBC ahead of the meeting – it is in terms of a cheap tailor inviting us to “never mind the quality – feel the width”.

The Commonwealth is “rather big”, we are reminded, home to a third of the world’s population with its constituent members living in countries that comprise a quarter of the world’s landmass.

The odds are, however, that you could not name its secretary general (Lady Patricia Scotland) or say what the Commonwealth is actually for.

Brutally, Boris Johnson, before becoming foreign secretary, suggested that the Commonwealth’s most useful function was to supply a backdrop of “cheering crowds” of Africans (he used racist and demeaning language) and as a feelgood fillip for the increasingly controversial then-prime minister Tony Blair.

While Johnson may have moderated his troubling language somewhat in the intervening years, it appears that his view of the institution has not much improved, recently appearing to suggest to the cross-party foreign affairs committee that it was not much of a priority.

And Johnson’s flip intimation that a key role of the Commonwealth is supplying a kind of existential meaning to the hollowed crown of Windsor (and troubled prime ministers) will not have been dispelled by the suggestion of new roles for Prince Charles (as its possible titular head) and Prince Harry and Meghan Markle as joint youth ambassadors.

The problems with the Commonwealth are well-rehearsed. There was the accusation by Gambia on its withdrawal from the organisation that it was a “neo-colonial institution” and persistent charges of lack of imagination in its sometimes opaque bureaucracy.

Then there has been concern about its vulnerability to exploitation for political gain by states stained with human rights abuse allegations – most notably Sri Lanka.

But despite the periodic controversies, the real problem is how forgettable the Commonwealth has become, more associated with the quadrennial games in the public’s mind than with much else.

In terms of global development – and at the centre of its renewed focus – ostensibly, its aims are admirable, not least the charter’s 16 values of democracy, gender equality, sustainable development and international peace and security.

On climate change too, in particular ahead of the Paris agreement, the Commonwealth acted as a conduit for the views of smaller countries from the global south.

In practical terms, much of what it does, not least in terms of the delivery of sustainable development goals, is open to the criticism that it only duplicates UK commitments whose main effort goes on in other forums like the UN.

Perhaps most serious of all is the way in which – as Murphy intuited – the Commonwealth has become a vessel to be filled by the Conservative politics of Brexit, rolling a rose-tinted view of lost empire into the exigencies of finding new markets, gilded with a glib free market view of trade as the answer to poverty.

What that means, as development secretary Penny Mordaunt and Liam Fox made clear in a joint article for the Telegraph this week, is what they described as “the beginning of a new approach to inclusive trade, development and prosperity”. In short that means increasing trade for the Commonwealth’s biggest economy – the UK post-Brexit – and pretending that is aid.

It is the cynical papier-mache vision of not-quite-empire and of not-quite-development for a not-quite-important institution that only the dull fever dream of Brexit could inspire.[/quote]

Link: The curious case of the disappearing Commonwealth (mentioned in the report above)
 

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