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Bernie Sanders and His Prosposed Budget.

 
 
Miller
 
Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2015 04:41 pm
If you will be voting for Sanders in the upcoming presidential election, what do you think about his proposed 16-18 trillion dollar budget?

Additional info on this budget can be found on the NYTimes website .

Among other things, Sanders wants free public college education for all, medicare for all ( with a single payer system), and of course a major increase in taxes to foot his proposed budget.
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2015 04:54 pm
@Miller,
Pure fantasy. It is odd to me that someone who advertises themselves as a socialist has so little understanding of economics. What is spent must be earned, and right now we already cant cover 1/3 of the national budget, and this is programed to continue to get worse because we never solved the boomer retirement cost problem and we never solved the super expensive healthcare system problem. Handing out more candy is the last thing we should do.

The Sanders budget is not realistic until/unless we have a global government that can control the movement of capital and can regulate labor. If we tried to finance his wish list with taxes the effort would fail, capital would flee.
Miller
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2015 05:05 pm
@hawkeye10,
In metabolic pathways ,we have two different regulatory systems. One is called "feed back" and the other is called "feed forward" regulation.

With the US budget, already in very serious trouble, with both medicare and social security in significant financial trouble, with Bernie as President with his proposed budget , we will have a system in place, that I would call "feed forward" activation, namely serious debt will lead to more and dangerous debt that will lead our Country to a point in time, where any sort of financial recovery will be impossible.

Miller
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2015 05:17 pm
@Miller,
From the WSJ:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/price-tag-of-bernie-sanders-proposals-18-trillion-1442271511.

"Price Tag of Bernie Sanders's Proposals: $18 Trillion"
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2015 05:19 pm
@Miller,
Sander's ignorance is pretty stunning given that he sells himself as a policy wonk. One one needs to do is look at what happened when the states started to compete against each other for capital and jobs. It is a race to the bottom in the ability to fund the government. Globally this is what governments now do, by the design of the globalization architects, who for the most part were the capitalists who were looking out for their own best interests.
Miller
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2015 06:48 pm
@Miller,
Will the "free public colleges" also offer the kids free textbooks?

Will the "free public colleges" offer the kids free room and board"?

What do you suppose Sanders will do to help the millions of homeless, who roam the cites, day and night? Will they receive free homes and board?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2015 06:57 pm
@Miller,
Sure, lets make the university industry challenge the health industry as the what sector is going to be the best promoter of the impoverishment of America.

We need to massively cut what we pay for universities not increase the problem. And we need fewer but better graduates, not more, we done have the jobs for those who graduate now. And we waste on ton of money on people who don't finish, which are for the most part people who should not have started.

This is more of Sanders trying to sell socialism by begging to be the candy man. I gotta say he sounds way too much like the EU architects for me.
Miller
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2015 07:01 pm
@hawkeye10,
Whatever happened to "community colleges? Obama was always pushing for them.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2015 07:18 pm
@Miller,
I see what you did there Miller-- it was a conservative outlet that put the $16-$18 trillion figure on Sander's budget, not the New York Times.

The little switcheroo play... nicely done Miller.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2015 07:28 pm
@Miller,
Miller wrote:

Whatever happened to "community colleges? Obama was always pushing for them.


They are still there, mostly functioning as high schools, doing what used to be done in the high schools more often than university work.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2015 08:24 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Sure, lets make the university industry challenge the health industry as the what sector is going to be the best promoter of the impoverishment of America.


Is it not strange that the rest of the first world can provide health care and higher education access to it citizens without either burying them in debt or forcing them to go bankrupt.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2015 09:09 pm
@BillRM,
Sad that we cant provide services at a reasonable price is the problem. My daughter just graduated from university Washington

http://www.eoionline.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/university-of-wa-funding-per-student.png
Add on $1,000 for fees and 11,000 for room and board and you find that running the university comes to $45,000 per student. Plus what ever the endowment contributes outside of subsidizing the cost to the students. Lets call it $47,000 per year total (endowment adding $95 million a year for 44,000 students or a bit over $2,000 per year) , or $200 per day while school is in session.

They cant figure out how to do this cheaper? $47K per year per student for a classroom, teachers, a place to sleep and food for 240 days represents a good deal? $9,000 per year per person is a good deal for healthcare?

I think not.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2015 04:00 am
@hawkeye10,
All that is driven by special interests that allowed outrageous pricing and then make available government back loans to paid for it.

We have the worst of all possible world in the system that special interests had created for paying for college that is unlike any other in the world.

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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2015 08:00 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Sure, lets make the university industry challenge the health industry as the what sector is going to be the best promoter of the impoverishment of America.


Is it not strange that the rest of the first world can provide health care and higher education access to it citizens without either burying them in debt or forcing them to go bankrupt.


If this statement is as simple as you're trying to make it, please tell us why those Americans affected by these problems don't leave the US and move to some other 1st world (!!) country.

If the GRASS IS GREENER OVER THERE, then let them GO OVER THERE!
Miller
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2015 08:06 am
@hawkeye10,
Cool Did you include the cost of textbooks?
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2015 08:11 am
@hawkeye10,
How about the "administrators? One CEO ( administrator) in Massachusetts makes over $500,000/year Twisted Evil fordoing what... Embarrassed

You use the term "teachers"...If you aren't a full Professor in a high end university, your salary/year is no...no...no where near that $500,000 level.
And...some Universities force their Professors to become members of UNION. Drunk
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2015 09:21 am
@Miller,
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don't leave the US and move to some other 1st world (!!) country.


Would be nice if the EU nations for example would allowed that and right now there had been cases of people marrying Canadians and moving to Canada for their health care system.

Would not mine moving to England myself as a matter of fact.

Footnote there had in fact been a thread or more on this site concerning if Americans can move to the UK or not.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 17 Sep, 2015 02:54 am
@BillRM,
We don't want filth like you polluting our country and sponging off our health system.
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princedude
 
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Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2015 09:06 pm
@Miller,
YOU are right hawkeye! SO why are the republicans SO DETERMINED to give the top 1% tax breaks after tax breaks when they are not paying anyt taxes any way and with out MONEY COMING how can they keep giving TAX BREAKS to them ! They keep saying no new taxes but then every time SPENDING CUTS have to BE and all they want to CUT IS SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE AND OTHER MIDDLE INCOME BENEFITS!!!! I guess that is how!
roger
 
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Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2015 09:57 pm
@princedude,
Too right! Why on earth give tax breaks to those who don't pay taxes, anyway?
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