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is death the cause of evolution

 
 
martinies
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2015 06:43 am
@FBM,
Whats the cause of the wavefunction collapse in qm.
FBM
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2015 06:51 am
@martinies,
Is this a rhetorical question? Do you already know the answer? According to QM, it's measurement, often somewhat carelessly over-simplified as observation, which is not really very accurate.
martinies
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2015 07:26 am
@FBM,
Is it the awareness of the observation that causes the collapse. Would say an animals observation operate the collapse in the same way. I know theres a system that uses wavefunction collapse on bank security.
FBM
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2015 07:32 am
@martinies,
martinies wrote:

Is it the awareness of the observation that causes the collapse.


Assuming you meant to put a question mark there (?): What's the difference between the observation and the awareness of the observation?

Quote:
Would say an animals observation operate the collapse in the same way.


Assuming you meant to say "Would you say" and end it with a question mark: No, I would not say that.

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I know theres a system that uses wavefunction collapse on bank security.


Not sure what relevance that has to the question at hand, even if it were true (which I seriously doubt).
martinies
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2015 10:07 am
@FBM,
Well an animal could be the observer but not be aware of the implications of its observation.
martinies
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2015 01:24 pm
@martinies,
There has to be an observer to collapse the wave function into the on going event in qm. What im saying is there is only one real observer for the whole event even the writing of these posts is preordained by nothing. And nothing as death is the shaper of forms in the event. That is nothing as niarvana that is the true underlying observer collapsing the wave function of probabilities into the universe ongoing.
FBM
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2015 06:34 pm
@martinies,
QM neither suggests nor requires a cosmic, "underlying observer." Nor is nibbana described as nothing in Buddhism. Buddhism flatly denies any such "underlying observer." If you knew more about either, you wouldn't be so confused. Please take some time to educate yourself about the things you use to support your claim. They don't support your claim. Find something that does, please.
martinies
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2015 11:03 pm
@FBM,
Well its my belief nibbana as nonlocality is the underlying observer in qm. But nibbana also exists as the non happening self which presents the event evolution of species included.
FBM
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2015 11:10 pm
@martinies,
Well, you're just making stuff up. Neither Buddhism nor QM support your idea. If you can show me something in the Pali Canon or a peer-reviewed science journal, you'd establish a lot more credibility. As it stands, you could believe in tadpoles on Neptune and I could believe in pink unicorns on Pluto, and as long as neither of us is burdened by the need to provide evidence, neither of us would have produced anything worth considering.
martinies
 
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Reply Fri 8 May, 2015 12:16 am
@FBM,
Well budhism and qm must if Budhism is correct be one in the samething. One cannot exist indenpendent of the other. To my knowledge the niarvana part of buddhism is correct and therefor must fit qm. And nonlocality is the common.
FBM
 
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Reply Fri 8 May, 2015 12:26 am
@martinies,
Nibbana isn't a place or a thing. QM says nothing about it, and Buddhism says nothing about QM. They don't contradict because they don't overlap.
martinies
 
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Reply Fri 8 May, 2015 12:34 am
@FBM,
Yes nibbana is not a place because it nibbana is nonlocality. And as with all else distinction in the local field is illusion. All locality is illusion relative to nonlocality its creator and former.
FBM
 
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Reply Fri 8 May, 2015 12:43 am
@martinies,
If you think it's rational to take such jibberish on faith, then either you're http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/ewacky.gif or you think I am.
martinies
 
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Reply Fri 8 May, 2015 01:24 am
@FBM,
Ha. If qm s right and budhism s right there has to be a nonlocal connection. And they are right especially budhism regards niarvana. But budhism as a whole I dont think its all correct.
FBM
 
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Reply Fri 8 May, 2015 01:26 am
@martinies,
Pardon me for a moment while I put you on Ignore.
martinies
 
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Reply Fri 8 May, 2015 01:33 am
@FBM,
Ha. Work it out fbm niarvana has got to be nomoving and nonlocal. I know though it nibbana is beond any description but it is the cause and it nibbana is certain.
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martinies
 
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Reply Fri 8 May, 2015 02:53 am
@FBM,
I think the collapse of the wavefunction is cause by the effects of applied consciousness overriding base state nonlocal consciousness.
martinies
 
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Reply Fri 8 May, 2015 10:03 am
@martinies,
Good luck with the niarvana fbm. Its certainly the right path.
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