is death the cause of evolution

@martinies,

Entanglement. Electromagnetism. Gravity. If you're going down the road of 'what caused that?', then you're already on a slippery slope. If you posit a first cause, and unmoved mover, then the question naturally asrises: What caused that?

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@FBM,

No thing is indistinguishable to its self. A created thing is distingishable from nothing as something and is there for relative. So no thing is the non happening first cause there is no thing else.

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@martinies,

What makes you think that the universe (or any thing) was created?

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@FBM,

The way locality exists inside the c limit.

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@martinies,

That makes no sense.

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@FBM,

Limited things must be bought into existance.

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Which also makes no sense. He's just making this sh*t up in his head as he goes along.

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@martinies,

martinies wrote:

Limited things must be bought into existance.

Why?

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@FBM,

Why because if something is limited it means it the something that is limited is a tempory form of a less limited thing.

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No, "it" doesn't mean that at all. You're just babbling.

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@martinies,

martinies wrote:

Why because if something is limited it means it the something that is limited is a tempory form of a less limited thing.

What makes you think that this is true?

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@FBM,

It means all local states are a limited form of a limitless nonlocal cause. We see this in evolution of species the limited form is ever changing to fit a leesser limited enviroment. And in the end the limited envioment will its self desolve back into the limitless nonlocality.

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@martinies,

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It means all local states are a limited form of a limitless nonlocal cause.

What is the source of this claim?

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@Setanta,

Death is the end of a limited thing but the limited thing was inside a limitless thing which is consciouness.

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As i have said, you're just babbling. You have not even give bad logic as a basis for your silly claims about limits, limitlessness and consciousness. Apparently, you don't understand that people are not obliged to take what you say seriously, just because you say it.

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@Setanta,

Reminds me of this: http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/

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@FBM,

Fbm as a scientist you must agree surely that death is the main impactor on the evolution of species. Take the dinosaurs for instance they almost were at some stage completely wiped out . This alone must convince a logical mind that death is the shaper of life forms. Other wise here we will have come of the rails of common sense completely into some wierd prejudice that you and definitely setanter have. You certainly risk not being taken seriously your self. As the folks back home will see.

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@martinies,

First of all, I'm not a scientist, and your posts lead me to think that you're not, either.

Secondly, I must not agree that death is the main impactor on the evolution of species. In my understanding, birth, environment, reproduction and random mutations are more important.

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@FBM,

You are not a scientist ok. Well you had me thinking you were from past posts. But it seems here you have some personal issue that will not allow you to simply say the obvious which is death without doubt is the controling factor in evolution of species. The fossils found in the different stages going back to when life had not climbed out of the sea prove by there presents that death has been the fomer of life forms.

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@martinies,

I don't have any personal issue keeping me from agreeing with your idea. I just don't see how it holds up to scientific scrutiny. If anything, death prevents adaptation, as a dead organism can't reproduce its genome. The genetic adaptations of the reproductive organisms determine the course of evolution, as far as I can tell.

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