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Saudi Arabian male/female dialogue on women's lives....

 
 
dlowan
 
Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 07:06 am
Arab women

Out of the shadows, into the world

Jun 17th 2004 | BEIRUT, CAIRO AND RIYADH
From The Economist print edition




http://www.economist.com/world/displaystory.cfm?story_id=2766134

Slowly, but sometimes showily, the female half of the population is beginning to find a voice

IT WAS called a ?national dialogue?, but to western eyes it was a strange kind of conversation. From June 13th-15th, in Medina, Saudi Arabian women and men discussed how women's lives could be improved. The women, however, were invisible to the men, except on a television screen.

From kindergarten to university to the few professions they are permitted to pursue, as well as in restaurants and banks and in other public places, the female half of Saudi Arabia's population is kept strictly apart. Women are not allowed to drive a car, sail a boat or fly a plane, or to appear outdoors with hair, wrists or ankles exposed, or to travel without permission from a male guardian. A wife who angers her husband risks being ?hanged?; that is, suspended in legal limbo, often penniless and trapped indoors, until such time as he deigns to grant a divorce. And then she will lose custody of her children.

The 19 recommendations that went to Crown Prince Abdullah on June 15th would change matters somewhat, if they are ever enacted. Participants asked for special courts to deal with women's issues, more women's sections in existing courts, and a public-transport system for them. They wanted more education, more jobs and more voluntary organisations dealing with women's issues. Amid much vague good feeling, the phrase that recurred was ?more awareness??not just of women's rights, but of women as human beings.

Saudi Arabia certainly presents male chauvinism at its worst. Yet it is a mistake to imagine, as many westerners do, that Arab women as a whole suffer strictures as tight as their Saudi sisters'. It is equally incorrect to judge the donning of veils and headscarves?attire that is optional everywhere save in Saudi Arabia and non-Arab Iran?to be a sign of exclusion. For some it is simply a personal expression of religious devotion; for others, a means of escape from the tyranny of fashion.

It is even wrong to assume that life for the purdahed women of Saudi Arabia is necessarily hard. Boring, yes, and cluttered with minor annoyances, but also full of compensating richness. Many Saudi women take pride in the protectiveness, family-centredness and Muslim piety of their society?aspects that were stressed first in the list of recommendations.

Slowly but surely, too, the lot of Saudi women is improving, just as it has been for women in most Arab countries. Saudi girls were not even allowed to go to school until 1964. Now, some 55% of the kingdom's university students are female. Similar trends can be seen elsewhere. In Kuwait's and Qatar's national universities, women now make up fully 70% of the student body. Across the wider region, the average time girls have spent in school by the age of 15 has increased from a mere six months in 1960 to 4.5 years today. This may still be only three-quarters of the schooling that Arab boys get, but female education has improved faster in Arab countries than in any other region. Tunisia has narrowed the literacy gap between young men and women by 80% since 1970. Jordan has achieved full literacy for both sexes.

The Arab performance in improving women's health is also unmatched. Female life expectancy is up from 52 years in 1970 to more than 70 today. The number of children borne by the average Arab woman has fallen by half in the past 20 years, to a level scarcely higher than world norms. In Oman, fertility has plummeted from ten births per woman to fewer than four. A main reason for this is a dramatic rise in the age at which girls marry. A generation ago, three-quarters of Arab women were married by the time they were 20. That proportion has dropped by half. In large Arab cities, the high cost of housing, added to the need for women to pursue degrees or start careers, is prompting many to delay marriage into their 30s. Again, that is not much different from the rest of the world.



Houris and hijabs
Outsiders may think of Arab women as shrouded, closeted ghosts, but the images that come to Arab minds these days are likely to be quite different. Flick on a television in Muscat or Marrakesh, and you find punchy, highly competent and pretty female presenters. Competition between Lebanese television networks is so keen that their gorgeous weather-announcers, pantomiming, say, rain on the mountains, can be rather startling. More eye-opening still is the procession of video clips on the many highly popular satellite channels broadcasting round-the-clock Arabic pop music. Strapless houris (beauties), such as Lebanon's Nancy Ajram and Egypt's Ruby, croon and gyrate with scarcely less abandon than their western prototypes.

True, such imagery remains deeply controversial, and not just to feminists. In relatively open-minded Egypt, the state broadcasting monopoly has banned the more provocative female stars and has forbidden costumes that reveal belly buttons, saying they corrupt the country's youth. The saucy video clips are regularly blasted at Friday sermons in the mosques.

It is also true that provocatively clad starlets are hardly representative of Arab womanhood. Broadly speaking, the percentage of Arab women who wear some form of hijab, or veil, does seem to be inching upwards. Numbers vary hugely, however, from around 10-20% in Lebanon or Tunisia to perhaps 60% in Syria and Jordan, to 80% in Kuwait and Iraq. In rural Egypt, the near-universal adoption of the veil in recent years is as much a reflection of city fashions creeping into the countryside (where women traditionally worked in the fields unveiled) as of rising conservatism. The popularity of veils in Egyptian cities, meanwhile, is partly due to a rise in the number of women who leave home to work or study. In a sense, for traditional families the hijab is a sort of convenient half-way station to fuller freedom.

At the same time, the late-night club-culture of cities such as Cairo, Dubai and Beirut is thriving as never before. Even those women who shun the packed bars and discos may now venture into the cafés, once a male preserve. The sight of groups of women smoking waterpipes has become quite common. Such delights have helped attract a fast-growing number of tourists, especially Gulf Arabs, for whom the free mingling of sexes is itself a spectacle. Inevitably, these looser strictures have an influence back home.

Those other modern media, the internet and the mobile phone, increasingly reinforce such shifts in attitude. Hard as it may still be to meet members of the opposite sex openly, ever-growing numbers of young Arabs are chatting, flirting and even getting hitched over the ether. And that is the innocent side. This correspondent's wholly unscientific survey of internet cafés in several Saudi cities revealed that virtually all the websites recorded as ?favourites? were blatantly pornographic.

Even the many Arabs who dismiss MTV and on-line dating as the preserve of gilded, westernised youth will admit that female role-models have changed a great deal. In all but three out of 22 countries in the Arab League, women have the right to vote and run for office. (Recall that the Swiss canton of Appenzell did not grant such rights until 1991). Arab women also work as ambassadors, government ministers, top business executives and even, in Bahrain, army officers. A fifth of Algeria's Supreme Court judges are women, and women hold 15% of the top judicial posts in Tunisia. Even in Saudi Arabia, Lubna Olayan heads the kingdom's leading private industrial group, and Thoraya Obeid runs the UN's family-planning agency, though admittedly in New York.



The darker side
Yet Arab women should not rest complacent. It is for good reason that the UN's devastating, and much-quoted, Arab Human Development Report cites women's rights, along with education and governance, as the main challenge facing the region. Statistics cannot easily capture, for example, the fact that the very idea of an unmarried woman living alone remains taboo in all but a few Arab countries. Numbers do not adequately measure the harassment that ?immodest? dress routinely attracts in most Arab cities, or the destructive social impact of habits such as female circumcision (still practised widely in Egypt and Sudan), polygamy (sanctioned by Islam, yet rare except in the wealthy Gulf states), or ?honour killings? (sanctioned by tribal custom, not religion, and declining?but in Jordan, more than 20 women are still murdered by their own suspicious relatives every year).

The numbers can still be revealing, though. In Egypt, a recent study showed that among families with low levels of education, baby girls are twice as likely to die as baby boys. In Yemen, the illiteracy rate among young women (54%) is three times that of men. And as for those proud Saudi women who are now earning most of the kingdom's university degrees, their prospects of careers are dim. Barely 6% of the country's workforce is female. Across the Arab region as a whole, only a third of adult women have jobs, compared with three-quarters of women in East Asia.

Just as disturbingly, movement towards equality in some Arab countries has shunted into reverse. Such is the case of Iraq, a country that during the 1960s and 1970s was in the vanguard of progress. Saddam Hussein's two decades of war and sanctions crushed the life out of the country's once large and rich middle class. Their decline discredited social models, such as the nuclear family, which had begun to replace the old patriarchal clan system. The lot of most Iraqi women has worsened even more dramatically since the war. In the cities, women are simply afraid to go out alone. The rise of religious radicalism has prompted many to adopt the veil, out of fear as much as conviction.

Even in more peaceable Arab countries, the gains women have made are not fully secure. As far back as the 1950s, for example, secularist Tunisia granted women full equality, going so far as to contravene Islam and ban polygamy. With their rights to vote, divorce, work in any profession and so forth, Tunisian women remain the envy of Arab feminists elsewhere. Yet they themselves complain that male attitudes have not really changed. A Tunisian sociologist notes a trend by wealthy men to seek brides from poor villages, since city women are ?too independent?. And the incidence of wife-beating remains high.

Egypt was another Arab pioneer in women's rights. The first Arab feminist manifesto, ?The Liberation of Woman?, was published in Cairo in 1899. By the 1920s, society women were dropping their veils; by the 1960s, the country had more female doctors than many in the West. But progress stalled in the 1980s, when the parliament scotched a law that would have ensured nearly full sexual equality.

Discriminatory laws still hinder women's progress in many other countries. Algeria's 1984 family statutes give men an automatic right to divorce, with no legal obligation to their former spouse. In all but a few Arab countries, citizenship may only be passed on by the father of a child, not its mother. Similarly, custody of children customarily goes to the father, a fact that comes into tragic prominence every year in consulates across the region, when the foreign divorcees of Arab men discover that they may lose their children. And Islamic inheritance law grants female heirs only half the portion given to males.



Islam's importance
Outsiders commonly assume that Islam itself is the cause of sexual inequality in the Arab world. This is not strictly true. Earlier this year, for instance, Morocco adopted a progressive family status code which, among other things, grants both sexes equal rights to seek divorce and to argue before a judge for custody of children. It also places such tight conditions on polygamy as to render the practice virtually impossible. Yet the new law won backing not just from King Muhammad VI, who declared it to be ?in perfect accordance with the spirit of our tolerant religion?, but also from the country's main Islamist parties.








In Kuwait, too, religion is being used to push reform. Five years ago, Islamists in the country's parliament blocked a law that would have granted women the right to vote and run for office. The same law is being tabled again this year, but this time several Islamist MPs have defected to the liberals. One reason is a fatwa recently issued by a prominent cleric, which questions the reliability of the source who, 14 centuries ago, reported the Prophet Muhammad as saying ?A nation commanded by woman will not prosper.?

Aside from giving them the short stick on inheritance, and having their testimony in law considered half as weighty as men's, and letting husbands marry up to four wives, whom they may beat if they are disobedient, the Koran itself is not unkind to women. Centuries before Christian women in the West, Muslim women freely enjoyed full property rights. In many Arab societies, it has been customary to evade statutory inheritance laws by simply signing over property to female relations before your death.

The trouble, in places like Saudi Arabia, lies more in how the holy text?as well as the hadiths, or Prophet's sayings, that inform the Sharia?are interpreted. Such texts are often not so much interpreted, as twisted to fit pre-existing traditions. The ban on driving, for instance, is unique to Saudi Arabia. Yet even Saudi clerics are hard-put to find support for the rule in holy scripture. (And in any case, according to one survey, 29% of Saudi women say they already know how to drive.)

The extreme Saudi phobia regarding ikhtilat, or mixing of the sexes, also has no textual justification. And although the Koran mentions modesty in dress, how much is a matter of opinion. Most scholars agree that hadiths about fuller covering relate to the Prophet's own wives. Whether to follow their example should be a free choice, as indeed it is in most Muslim societies.

Some countries, such as non-Arab Tunisia, have simply bypassed such questions by imposing fully secular laws. For the time being, Arab public opinion is strongly opposed to this; the link to Islamic roots is seen as essential. Yet when it comes to women's rights, the evidence is that Arabs, even the men among them, acknowledge the need for improvement. In a 2002 survey of social attitudes carried out in seven Arab countries by Zogby International, 50% of respondents considered the improvement of women's rights a high priority (see chart). Significantly, the firmest support for change came from Saudi Arabia.

The reformers will eventually get their way. Saudi women are, in fact, already chalking up important gains. Last month they were granted the right to hold commercial licences, a significant advance considering that women own a quarter of the $100 billion deposited in Saudi banks, with little opportunity to make use of it. In 2001, they won the right to have their own identity cards (though a male guardian must apply for them). Saudi businesswomen spoke eloquently, to long applause, at a major conference in Jeddah earlier this year. Since January, Saudi state TV has employed female newscasters.

The kingdom's best-known TV personality also happens to be a woman. Rania al-Baz won further fame earlier this year when her husband beat her almost to death. Instead of staying silent, as her mother would have done, Mrs al-Baz invited photographers into her hospital room to show the world her broken face. She has now formed a group to combat the abuse of women in Saudi Arabia.



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NickFun
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 07:17 am
Saudi Arabia has the worst record for womens rights of any country in the world. I recall one incident in which a ladies boarding school was burning down. Most of the women were unable to leave as the doors were locked at night to prevent them from leaving. Those that did manage to escape were sent back into the inferno to retrieve their burkas as Saudi women are not allowed to be seen in public without them. Many more perished in this attempt. This is what Saudi women have to deal with daily. Animals are given more freedom.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 07:21 am
Hmmmm - must be a pariah nation to the US re abuse of human rights, eh?

No? Oh my.

Interesting article, I think.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 07:27 am
Opinion piece from The Economist:

Arab women

Their time has come

Jun 17th 2004
From The Economist print edition


Arab women are demanding their rights?at last

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EVEN the Saudis?or rather, the small number of men who actually rule their troubled country?are giving ground in the struggle for women's rights. For sure, the recommendations handed this week to Crown Prince Abdullah at the end of an unprecedented round of ?national dialogue? concentrating on the role of women were fairly tame (see article). In the reformers-versus-reactionaries litmus test of whether women should be allowed to drive cars (at present they cannot do so in the kingdom, nor can they travel unaccompanied, by whatever means of motion), the king was merely asked to ?assign a body to study a public-transport system for women to facilitate mobility?. No mention, of course, of the right to vote?but then that has been denied to men too, though local elections, on an apparently universal franchise, are supposed to be held in October. In sum, it is a tortoise's progress. But the very fact of the debate happening at all is remarkable?and hopeful.

It is not just in Saudi Arabia that more rights for women are being demanded but across the whole of the Arab and Muslim world. The pushy Americans have made women's rights part of their appeal for greater democracy in what they now officially call the ?Broader Middle East?, to include non-Arab Muslim countries such as Iran, Turkey and even Afghanistan. Many Arabs have cautioned the Americans against seeking to impose their own values on societies with such different traditions and beliefs. Many leading Muslims have accused the culturally imperious Americans of seeking to destroy Islam. The appeal for more democracy in the Muslim world issued by leaders of the eight biggest industrial countries was watered down for fear of giving offence. Yet, despite the Arabs' prickliness, the Americans have helped pep up a debate that is now bubbling fiercely in the Arab world, even though many Arab leaders, none of whom is directly elected by the people, are understandably wary of reforms that could lead to their own toppling. Never before have women's rights in the Arab world been so vigorously debated. That alone is cause to rejoice.

Don't blame the Koran
One of the great falsehoods deployed by the conservatives, nearly all of them men, is that the Koran, the word of God as imparted to Muhammad more than 13 centuries ago, decrees that women should remain in second place. The trouble in Saudi Arabia (and in Iran, just outside the Arab fold but still influential in parts of it, such as Iraq and Lebanon) is that conservatives, on whom?for reasons of history and realpolitik?the regime still relies, have grabbed a near-monopoly of religious authority, imposing an exceptionally narrow interpretation of Islam on the people, especially women. To take but one example, it is written that women should dress modestly, but nowhere is it stated that they should be covered from top to toe in black. Nor, for that matter, is it stated that women should be denied an equal say in decisions of state.

Saudi Arabia, it should be stressed, is exceptionally behindhand. Yet, compared with most of their western sisters, Arab women elsewhere still, on the whole, enjoy fewer rights. But they have generally been gaining ground apace. And there are now numerous examples in the Muslim (but not yet in the Arab) world where, without in any way disavowing Islam, women have actually headed governments: for instance in Bangladesh, Indonesia, Pakistan and Turkey.

It cannot be denied that there are problems, for liberals and supporters of full female emancipation, with the application of Sharia, the body of laws deemed to derive from the Koran, in those countries where the judicial system is wholly or partly based on it. Laws of inheritance, the relative weight of evidence given in court by men and women, rights of divorce and of children's custody?these, if taken literally, all diminish women. But there is far more flexibility and fuzziness, even here, than the conservatives concede. Sharia is not an actual code nor is it clearly defined; it is merely a basis for a system inspired but not dictated by the Koran. It is certainly not incumbent on all good Muslims to insist that the government use Sharia?or indeed the Koran?as the sole source of law. And both are open to wide interpretation, as they should be, to meet the changing demands of modernity.

Christians hardly need reminding that for centuries they fought bloody wars over competing versions of their faith, and bodies such as the Catholic Inquisition testify to the cruelties that can flow, within any religion, from a dogmatic determination to impose a particular set of beliefs. Over the years, however, a separation of church and state has helped to nurture individual creativity alongside reasonable governance under temporal laws. A wider measure of separation of mosque and state would probably provide similar benefits, as it has done, for instance, in Turkey.

In the end, democracy, entailing a freedom of choice, is the prerequisite, for Muslims as much as anyone else, for creating a society that is both cohesive and fair. There is no reason why Muslim Arabs, women included, should not have the democratic freedom enjoyed by people of other faiths. It would, after all, liberate men too.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 08:45 pm
!bookmark!
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 09:06 pm
Lol! Someone cares!!! Sob!
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 09:26 pm
Yes, it sounds very interesting. I will read.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 09:38 pm
I've read it fast, will be back..
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2004 03:51 am
good....
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Rick d Israeli
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2004 11:29 am
I read the whole post and it sounds very interesting to me, though it was not a surprise - among other things - that Tunisia is sort of leading in the Arab world concerning female rights. What I found "funny" though was the fact that a lot of Tunisian men get their wives from the countryside for the women from the cities are too "independent". As nimh might agree with this is also what I hear concerning especially Moroccan men in the Netherlands, who find the Moroccan women who have grown up in the West too independent.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2004 11:38 am
Also interested! Swooning when I see how long it is though. (There is something about long articles being posted in this format that is specifically offputting -- I read long articles ALL the time. I much prefer paper, it seems, have a hard time with anything online. But have certainly asked people to read mongo articles online myself before, so will get back to this when I can.)
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Rick d Israeli
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2004 11:40 am
sozobe wrote:
I much prefer paper, it seems, have a hard time with anything online.


You are not the only here who thinks that way :wink:
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Rick d Israeli
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2004 11:41 am
only one*
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2004 08:00 pm
Yep, read it. Fascinating. Very informative.

What I like about it is that, if you read all of it, it really succeeds in both debunking some of the stereotypes about the Arab world (I was pleasantly surprised myself by some of these stats and facts) and clearly exposing the abuses, discriminations and dangers Arab women still face.

Would be good reading material for many. But long, and a rather forbidding format ...

For one, perhaps you can cut and paste that paragraph that starts with "The UN's Arab Human Development Report is online" out of the flow of the story, into a bookmark or something? I suppose it was a sidebar on the webpage or something - confused me for a moment. (Detail)
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2004 11:12 pm
Yeah - dammit.

I be a bitch, ya know - I keep thinking folk can READ!!!!!!
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2004 06:49 am
Yeah - couplafus read it. It was cool. Very interesting.

I be a bitch, too - I keep thinking it aint all that hard to, you know, use the quote tags ... remove the clutter from an article ... I mean, if you want people to read it and stuff ... it takes just a sec extra ...

<shrugs> 's all I was saying.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2004 07:24 am
I actually don't know what you mean, Nimh.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2004 07:25 am
Oh - ok - yeah - I did cut out various bits - missed that one. In excuse - gets hard to proofread your own stuff after a while.


I am finding it frustrating at present that I know I can't get lots of info read over here, or get discussions started, when some real reading is required.

I know, Soz - for some weird reason it IS harder reading stuff online.

I am doing lots of reseqrch for teaching stuff online at present - so I am getting over that particular "hump".

So - like - I expect everyone else to do the same! Dumb, I know.
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