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US Command Knew of Abu Ghraib Abuse in November ‘03

 
 
Reply Mon 14 Jun, 2004 12:02 pm
Increasingly it is becoming clear that the US Command in Iraq knew of the prisoner abuse practices in Iraq from reports and complaints by their own interrogation staff, months before their official statements admitting to the abuse. This suggest that the abuse was part of an official policy that was continued until public revelations made these practices no longer possible.



New York Times, June 14, 2004


Unit Says It Gave Earlier Warning of Abuse in Iraq
By ANDREA ELLIOTT

Published: June 14, 2004


RANKFURT, June 13 ?- Beginning in November, a small unit of interrogators at Abu Ghraib prison began reporting allegations of prisoner abuse, including the beatings of five blindfolded Iraqi generals, in internal documents sent to senior officers, according to interviews with military personnel who worked in the prison.
The disclosure of the documents raises new questions about whether senior officers in Iraq were alerted about serious abuses at the prison before January. Top military officials have said they only learned about abuses then, after a soldier came forward with photographs of the abuse.

The Red Cross has said it alerted American military commanders in Iraq to abuses at Abu Ghraib in November. But the disclosures that the military's own interrogators had alerted superiors to abuse back then in internal documents has not been previously reported.

Military intelligence personnel said the unit's two- to five-page memorandums were to be sent for final approval to a three-member board that included Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, the commander of the 800th Military Police Battalion, and Maj. Gen. Barbara Fast, the top Army intelligence officer in Iraq. The sections in which the abuse was cited were generally only a paragraph or two in a larger document.

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Reply Mon 14 Jun, 2004 03:23 pm
Acquiunk, Everybody knew of the abuses at Abu Garaib; but it doesn't matter, because it's been approved from the very top. Bush keeps saying he's following US laws. He's having US laws changed to be interpreted the way he wants it like the evidence of WMDs in Iraq. They manipulate the definition of torture that only lawyers can interpret, and nobody else can follow. And we used to call Clinton "slick willy." ha ha ha....
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Reply Mon 14 Jun, 2004 07:58 pm
I think this is important because it bridges a gap. It is now known that the administration is Washington was seeking legal justification for torture. There is an abundance of evidence that the guards and interrogators were abusing prisoners. What was lacking was evidence that the middle layer, the US command knew and approved of it. Now we know they were told, by interrogators inside the prison, in writing, what was going on, and did nothing, which implies approval. What is beginning to form is a vague out line of a trail that leads from Abu Ghraib right to the top echelon of the administration. There is much more evidence that is needed before those links can be solidly demonstrated but I think a major crises for the US is developing. Very recently in other nations when such evidence was found, the top leadership was prosecuted and tried before international tribunals.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jun, 2004 08:21 pm
I doubt very much that anything close to prosecution of this administration will ever come about. Look at the other branches of government; they're not about to prosecute their own.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jun, 2004 08:28 pm
No, but people in Bosnia and Serbia were tried before international tribunals. It is unlikely that anyone in the US administration will be tried for this. But attempts could be made and it would further damage our standing and prestige when they are not. It would reinforce the impression that we regard ourselves as above the law and not subject to the same rules as everyone else.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jun, 2004 08:33 pm
I'll not hold my breath on that one! No head of state any place on this planet is brave enough to stick their necks out that far. Not the UN, the EU, or any other multinational organization - including the Geneva establishment (whatever that may be).
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