Whatever happened to the water-fueled engine?

This video has long been exposed as complete bunk. The welder is viable and I've actually used one, but its not a closed system. You plug it into the wall to electrolyze the water. No magic there. But the weird claims of a "cool flame that turns hotter than the surface of the sun" is absolute Fox News bulls#!t. The surface of the sun is well over 1 million Kelvin. That brass ball that took 3 seconds to get red hot would vaporize 30,000 miles away from the sun, so as soon as they said that I was completely stupified. That's not news, its Fox. Fox is wholly controled by the Republican party... the very people who would stand to lose the most by spreading the technology. They wouldn't be feeding you this stuff if it were true. Gosh, Americans believe anything if its on TV.

And the car... notice they said its running on a COMBINATION of gas and hydrogen. NOT on H and O. It could run on just water for a brief period until the battery went dead and the alternator melted, but not solely.

This is a prime example of media scoops that only serve to make wide-eyed optimists suddenly believe in fairies and dragons without even stopping to think.

Fox News published an apology for running that story, by the way, but it appeared on page 65 of USAtoday in a tiny little ad. Even the master of BS, Fox News apologized for one of its fabrications.

AND, by the way... there is NO SUCH THING AS HHO GAS. Jeez, people, its somebody's way of patenting a name for something that already exists. H2O has two hydrogens and one oxygen, so they call it HHO and people go nuts. The truth is, H and O are diatomic molecules. They rarely exist as anything but H2 and O2.

I'm getting really tired of this. I would LOVE to believe it, but its so far out of the spectrum of possibility that I can't believe anyone is buying this hooey. One of the members of this forum was BANNED from a professional engineering forum just for posting this idea.

I am sure that the brown's gas created does not implode when "recombined".

For the fox news story, ok. but..

Are you saying that you do NOT believe that by sending a controlled current through a contained area, that water CANNOT be split up into hydrogen and oxygen? Is that what you are saying? Or are you saying that you do not believe that it is possible to fully operate a vehicle through this process? Are you the kind of person, that if you saw my car running, you would say "this is NOT possible!!." "I cannot and will not believe what I am seeing, because I am stubborn!." If that is you, then I am not going to try and waist my time to convince you of the reality.

And if you just won't give it up, save up 300 dollars, and do it for yourself!

Listen. I am not a scientist, and do not have a degree of any kind. I am a 19 year old man who has a job and loves driving around for free. What I know is that my car can operate solely off of water, which has the hydrogen pulled out and it turn used as a fuel inside my engine. I had a friend help me with configuring the throttle and amp release into the hydrogen chamber, because I am not too crazy savvy when it comes to electronics.

I'm saying that a car cannot be sustained in operation under its own power that way. As if this hasn't been said enough already, you use as much energy tearing water apart as you get back when you combust it. Period. That's not negotiable. So, for this little magic to work, you have to have perpetual motion; an engine that makes no sound, heat, or friction, a generator/alternator that is capable of turning 100% of the energy you released back into electricity, wires that have zero resistance... and that's just to support combustion. Even if you do create this magical perpetual motion system, if you use any of that energy to move the car, there won't be enough left in the system to electrolyze the water.

I don't get it. I've explained this simple physical and chemical theory probably 15 times throughout two threads and no one seems to get it, but I'll try again. You ONLY GET OUT WHAT YOU PUT IN. Gasoline and other fuels exist at a high level of potential energy thanks to whatever geological inputs they've had for millions of years. All you have to do is spark it and it gives up its energy. Water is not fuel. Period. It is already combusted. That is the very definition of when any molecule combines with oxygen. Just like rust is ferrous oxlde, water is hydrogen oxide. You have to input energy to split it first. Asking a car to split water just to recombust it is analogous to putting exhaust in your tank and asking it to turn it back into gasoline.

And, about your car... if you showed me the car, I was able to poke around it and test it, and THEN if it were proven to me that it works, then I'd believe it. Gladly believe it! But a youtube blip of a Fox News report is so far away from truth that it makes me want to vomit. The very fact that you linked to that video in defense of your argument tells me that you aren't in-the-know on how physics works (not an insult, you had just mentioned that you're no scientist) Its bunk. That video is like the Bible. Everyone interprets and hears what they want to hear. 10 people see it; 8 believe that cars can run on water because they showed an Escort doing it. They didn't hear the actual words. They said that it runs on gasoline AND water, but 80% will hear "a car that runs on water". The last 2 people have retained their high school chemistry and physics well enough to spot it as complete falsehood from the first word.

But I don't have to worry about it. You don't have a water-powered car. You have not found a way to circumvent a fundamental universal law. You might have spent money on that design and put it in your car, but it does not support full indefinite operation on strictly water. I know that the same way I know that 1+1 does not equal 3. I would sooner believe you if you said you had a Unicorn tied up outside your house. Its the same reason that every other known, observed, or otherwise tested process in the universe adheres to the law of conservation of energy. Why should I believe that $300 of wire and PVC pipe has the ability to break this most fundamental conscript?

Another big thing that trips me off... those plans (copied and pasted a million times on the internet) are first of all disclaimered by things like "we showed the plans to an expert and they thought it would work," and others that say basically, "we haven't built one or tried it, so let us know if it works for you."

But the big one is... its called a Water Vapor system. That's just steam... which makes sense given the fact that both positive and negative leads go to a common coil in the chamber. That won't electrolyze water, it will just heat it up.

I am sorry you feel that way. I have nothing more to say.

You obviously will never believe its possible, in any way.

When I get my vacation time, I will come up and show you myself. A long as you live in the US, I will come and show you. [It won't cost me anything to get there] Then when I show you, and you see that it DOES work, you will be proved wrong. But it will not matter, because the next guy will come along and tell me what I am doing is not possible. But I do not have extra time to just drive around the nation and show people what I am doing. And why call the local news, when every critic will tell I am wrong.

The thing is, I tell a lot of people about my car, show them locally and make a few believers. Now I do not want to sound paranoid, but I have heard enough scary bedtime stories about other people that have created something similar to mine that died or disappeared. Thats enough for me not to put my neck out, and let people know via the Internet.

Just wait it out for a little bit. I have already started making a feature-length video about my car. I am going to show, step-by-step how it is done and very possible, and how anyone else can do it. I will make sure to mention that curtis73 from able2know.org is one of the many people who tried to tell me off. Once it is complete and uploaded to youtube, you and all your friends can watch it. And then cry...

[Usually my last word to people is: "Try it for yourself." And they have nothing to say, or just say "uuuuuuuhhhh.. buuuu.. ya-uuuuuuuu..." so...

"try it for yourself"

lol

Hey Curtis73,

I'm sure datsun710 can explain every detail of constructing his water fuelled car. Why not ask him that instead? Don't assume that he's a hill billy stupid kid.

I guessed you found another victim.

Mmmm... tasty victims
Someone else has already asked him technical questions about his car and he hasn't answered. That's enough for me at this juncture.

If someone drove a water-fueled car to me, I would disect it, probe it, test it, and check it out. I never said I would NEVER believe it, but for me to change my thoughts about the universe's most commonly held belief, I need to check it out before I believe it. I also recall typing several times something to the effect of, "I would LOVE to believe it."

So, I live in Los Angeles. Give me a few day's notice before you come, and expect me to check it out completely over a few days.

I am being completely honest when I say this... If you drove a strictly water-fueled car to me and it was legit, I would not only publicly apologize, I would use my LA contacts to get you on CNN with your car. Its VERY important to me to embrace new technology. I'm a 34-year-old libertarian, not a 70-year old republican. I'm not proud, I'll be the first to say I was wrong if the situation requires it, but we're talking about things only God can conjure. Forgive me if my years of intense Physics, Chemistry, and engineering get in the way of media fluff.

I have been saying since day one.... prove it to me. I'm still waiting. How about this... I make this challenge. Bring me a completely water-fueled car and I will eat my words AND give the successful driver a $250 scholarship toward continuing research on the technology. The stipulations are as follows:

1- the car must be driven to LA on water
2- the car must be 100% powered by water; no other fuel (including stored hydrogen or oxygen or external electricity) may be used.
3- the car must not require recharging or replacing of batteries; the system must be self-sufficient just like a fuel-powered car.
4- you need to give me a few days to disect and prove that its actually viable and not fed by a hidden energy source.

Basically, the car has to be self-sufficient, have a fuel tank filled with water and nothing else, and you have to let me poke, prod, and test it. Heck, I'll even let you sleep on the couch while you're here and let you have beer from my fridge.

Anyone?

datsun..

1. How much did it cost you to do the conversion?
2. Did you pull the engine to tear it apart to coat cylinder walls and put in the stainless valves?
3. How far did you advance the timing?
4. What pressure is created in your chamber that makes the Brown's gas?
5. You put your water tank in back, where did you mount the chamber to electrolyze the water?
6. What kind of hose or piping are you using to transfer the gas to the carburater?
7. Did you disconnect the gasoline line to the carburater?
8. What kind of temperature reading do you get from the heads?

Well I get it, I just dont debate any longer with idiots. Suggest you dont bother either. Let them believe in anti gravity paint or whatever.

ps Datsun come over here with your water fuelled car and I'll give you £250m, providing the University of Cambridge Department of Engineering verify that it is a water fuelled car.

The standard alternator on a Dodge Colt probably puts out about 60 amps max. Running at normal speeds it would probably put out about 40 amps.

http://www.rexresearch.com/hyfuel/ybrown/4014777.htm

According to the research, it takes one kwh (1000 watts for one hour) to produce 344 litres of Brown's gas.

At 60 amps from the alternator and about 17 volts (We'll increase the output beyond what it normally does) you get 1020 watts. We'll call it 1kw or about 1 kwh. That means you would produce at most 344 liters of Brown's gas in the hour of driving it takes you to travel 60 miles at 60mph and you claim gets 60mpg of water.

The other thing we know about Brown's gas is one liter of water would produce 1866 liters of Brown's gas. So to electrolyze one liter of water it would require a little over 5.4 kwh. (1866/344)

So 60 mpg, one hour means you use one gallon in one hour
A gallon is 3.785 liters. (5.4kwh/liter x 3.875liters/gal)

Now with some simple math we see to electrolyze the one gallon you claim to use every hour requires over 20 kwh. I guess I would consider it impossible for an OEM alternator to put out that much power without burning itself out.

^^^ but keep in mind that the engine will require about 1500 liters every MINUTE. Mulitply your gas requirements by 60.

We don't really know the amount of gas required to drive the pistons.

I did some rough figures and was getting about .05 liter of Brown's gas per .375 liter cylinder. It's not much gas but if it is super powerful maybe the rest of the cylinder can be filled with plain old air.

We could figure the power from the gas firing in the cylinder but I don't see much reason to until datsun answers some of my basic questions.

That's true about the supplemental air being a factor, but then of course we'd be back to square one on NOx emissions.

So you live in LA. Alright. This sounds very do-able. You say you will need a few days to check it out. alright. I have been around forums and tried explaining things before, but no-one seems to listen to me. The only way that I explain it to you, is that the gas being produced outputs more energy than it produces, thus not being an issue for draining the battery, alternator, etc.

Just give me about 6 months, since I already used my vacation time for this year. I know your gonna say this and that, but I do not really care, because in 6 months, I will be back letting my new friend I am ready to take him up on that offer. Lets say, the 3rd/4th of April 2008. I am willing to do all this, but I really do not want to disappear. I enjoy what I have created, but am not going to give up my life, just to show everyone, when they can just try it for themselves. I will back up on this forum in about 5.5 months, and maybe periodically poke in with some pictures and video.

You could answer some of my simple questions about the price and how you did it.

in which case you are talking complete rubbish. No wonder people dont take you seriously. Anyhow dont let me detract you from your important work. You have a steep learning curve to perfect your perpetual motion machine over the next few months. good luck.

Wow. It's no wonder that our country is ranking so far behind in science and math...

I know... We are slipping when the majority starts believing in not only perpetual motion, but perpetual motion that has ten times the energy to spare.

I wonder where all that extra energy comes from.

sub-space. at least, that's how everything in startrek is done. or maybe it's god. can't explain it? god did it.

I think if we simulate a photon blast from the main deflector dish, we might be able to tear a hole in the space-time continuum