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If Mammouth DNA is cloned, and a mammoth walks again

 
 
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 07:29 am
@farmerman,
Why do we need them, when we have you?
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 07:58 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
you really don't give a **** about anything but yourself eh?
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 08:07 am
@farmerman,
Not at all, I am searching for knowledge, and true knowledge, will always incorporate, the ideas of those who differ radically form your own point of view. Including, those who may be professors, but that can not spell very well.

The great thing about the internet, is that anyone, can claim to be anything, and exist in the anonymity, that they believe is real.

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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 09:07 am
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Then the person or persons who do this, have created a new life, from lifelessness.

They are now the living image of God.

Prove this wrong.

How about we name the Mammoth Lazarus...


This is not creating a new life from lifelessness. What foolishness are you trying to pull here?
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 09:34 am
@McGentrix,
Taking a dead mammoth and having it walk again, if this comes to be, is life from death.

Or is the mammoth really alive and just sleeping for 40,000 years.

PS. Arguing a point of fact, that has not yet happened, thus is not a point of fact, is illogical.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 09:42 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
DNA Thumbs drive wrote:

Taking a dead mammoth and having it walk again, if this comes to be, is life from death.

Or is the mammoth really alive and just sleeping for 40,000 years.

PS. Arguing a point of fact, that has not yet happened, thus is not a point of fact, is illogical.


Taking a rock and making it into a mammoth would be creating life from lifelessness. Even in your experiment, you would not be taking a dead mammoth and having it walk a again. You would be taking select strands of DNA and engineering them with a close living relative the elephant and having the elephant bear and raise a new animal that would be neither original mammoth nor current elephant.

May as well call it Frankinmammoth.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 09:47 am
@McGentrix,
Correct, and this would prove if it comes to be, that DNA is not life, but some sort of operating system, that directs the formation and continued operation of life, in much the same way that a computer operating system, directs your computer. Thus an understanding of DNA, is the understanding of how life works, if and when this transpires, humanity will hold the power of life....

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/336336-dna-is-like-a-computer-program-but-far-far-more

Does this creature look alive?

http://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/news/world/2012/09/12/russian_woolly_mammoth_remains_give_glimmer_of_hope_for_cloning/mammoth.jpeg.size.xxlarge.letterbox.jpeg

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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 09:48 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

DNA Thumbs drive wrote:

Taking a dead mammoth and having it walk again, if this comes to be, is life from death.

Or is the mammoth really alive and just sleeping for 40,000 years.

PS. Arguing a point of fact, that has not yet happened, thus is not a point of fact, is illogical.


Taking a rock and making it into a mammoth would be creating life from lifelessness. Even in your experiment, you would not be taking a dead mammoth and having it walk a again. You would be taking select strands of DNA and engineering them with a close living relative the elephant and having the elephant bear and raise a new animal that would be neither original mammoth nor current elephant.

May as well call it Frankinmammoth.


Hey, McG...be careful there. You probably love Mary Shelley, but people might get the wrong idea about that last comment.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 09:49 am
@Frank Apisa,
As long as you don't take it as an instruction, the little baby mammoth should be OK.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 09:50 am
@Frank Apisa,
And God destroyed Sodom with the push of a red button that said launch....

Get over it, humanity holds the power of God now....!
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 09:55 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

As long as you don't take it as an instruction, the little baby mammoth should be OK.


I do not do mammoths...only humans, Izzy. Although when I was a bartender and the night was late and all the good ones had been taken, I sometimes ended up with the left-overs who were on the questionable side.

But like any competent and dedicated bartender...I did what had to be done, no matter the limits of my imagination.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 09:58 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
DNA Thumbs drive wrote:

Taking a dead mammoth and having it walk again, if this comes to be, is life from death.


this isn't what cloning means
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 09:58 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
I do not do mammoths...only humans, Izzy.


I'm glad we've cleared that up, but what about all the other Franks?
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DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 10:04 am
@ehBeth,
There is no definition of cloning, as it is applied to 40,000 year old mammoths.

That said, can you explain what cloning does mean? and include how 40,000 year old genetic material, can direct the evolution of an elephant egg, to become another creature?
McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 10:59 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
DNA Thumbs drive wrote:

There is no definition of cloning, as it is applied to 40,000 year old mammoths.

That said, can you explain what cloning does mean? and include how 40,000 year old genetic material, can direct the evolution of an elephant egg, to become another creature?


There is no definition because there is no living tissue from which to easily sample. There is however, a lot of bits and pieces of DNA that with today's super computers can possibly re-code the DNA and re-sequence with enough elephant DNA (nearest living species) to "clone" a mammoth. It will never be a true clone though unless we find a perfectly frozen mammoth stuck away in the permafrost somewhere.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 03:38 pm
@McGentrix,
Ok, so you are claiming that a super-computer could theoretically create life, by creating DNA.......

My point exactly, though you presented it in your own way, which was excellent. It can be inferred from your thoughts, that you believe that DNA is not alive, but in some way, directs life, as a computers operating system does. This concept, clearly displays that DNA could have been created, before life, and inserted into it.

That all said, DNA is chemical code, which is not currently designable by any type of computer, as we just do not understand the language of DNA as of yet. Sure we can identify genes, but that is a long way from assembling them from scratch.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2014 03:21 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
computer cant do ****. Its an adding machine period.
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