@mark noble,
Not everybody has expect that . Mostly doing esoteric , occultismn is a fast enter to devil.
The other category of causes , what not means everybody, are murderer , rapists etc.
An american raped female victim has been suffering so much about , that she has decided to go asking in the prison after she got well.
She encouraged asked a murderer why he did that. The murderer meant , he was forced by a voice in his head who always said , go and kill her , go and do it.
Another murderer could exactly define that he heard the voice of devil .
How I said, all that can occur years later, to get haunted .
Such persons lost their own personality , morality, knowing what is good , what bad. They lost their own power for decisions since that moment when they went a step to far.
I don't be understand by most users here apparently , when Germlat doesn't lie.
I doubt that, because I get replies which make sense or they goes common mainly.
Therefore I try another way. Murderers gave unaware their impulse for right decisions to devil since they have killed or even decide to do that.
I wonder to can talk about devil here. In German forums you will get kick out or you are banned when you tell about causes when someone has encounters with apparitions.
To talk about thrilling stories about voices, apparitions are very wellcome to lure new users.
If onr's reveals in forums the cause about , than you can leave, because the comprlling effect is gone. Other reasons are there , that Germans get to psychiatry if telling about devil, apparitions, voices and so.
Germans therapists ask at first , whether you hear voices ,
when you did an anormal ( unnormal ) thing .
That is a point one's could say Germans have to get every morning a slap or round their ear before stand up.
