Muslim are terrorists?

WE MUST NOT JUSTIFY THE HOMICIDE.
BUT, unfortunately , some people are in favor of killing people , irrespective of reason.

America , Terrorists , ... all is on charges of that ..

And China, killing Uighurs, who also happen to be Muslim . . . and, of course, killing dissidents when the world is not watching . . .

Most, if not all, of your observations are subjective conclusions without much knowledge about human history. If the first seven on your list, "Muslims are Terrorists" is supposed to be some kind of sick joke, it falls short by every measurement. And your second list of seven makes no sense whatsoever.

You should go find another hobby.

Dear, you could not provide any proof against to my list. you should go find another hobby because you are just throwing words which makes no sense. old man you should go to church and pray there. its your age of taking rest, not to spend time here.

Then, all I ask for is for you to provide any credible source that supports your illusions?

Hahahaha really funny, do you think US did not attack with atom bomb in japan? You might think that atomic bomb was thrown by afganistan? Hahaha LOL

HA HA HA, you are stupid!

A guy that volunteered to take part in the massive war crimes that were Vietnam ought to be a bit more careful with a wildly gesticulating digit.

America’s Terrorist Training Camp
October 30, 2001
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What’s the difference between Al Qaeda and Fort Benning?

By George Monbiot. Published in the Guardian 30th October 2001

“If any government sponsors the outlaws and killers of innocents,” George Bush announced on the day he began bombing Afghanistan, “they have become outlaws and murderers themselves. And they will take that lonely path at their own peril.” I’m glad he said “any government”, as there’s one which, though it has yet to be identified as a sponsor of terrorism, requires his urgent attention.

For the past 55 years it has been running a terrorist training camp, whose victims massively outnumber the people killed by the attack on New York, the embassy bombings and the other atrocities laid, rightly or wrongly, at Al-Qaeda’s door. The camp is called the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, or WHISC. It is based in Fort Benning, Georgia, and it is funded by Mr Bush’s government.

Until January this year, WHISC was called “the School of the Americas”, or SOA. Since 1946 SOA has trained over 60,000 Latin American soldiers and policemen. Among its graduates are many of the continent’s most notorious torturers, mass murderers, dictators and state terrorists. As hundreds of pages of documentation compiled by the pressure group SOA Watch shows, Latin America has been ripped apart by its alumni.

In June this year, Colonel Byron Lima Estrada, once a student at the school, was convicted in Guatemala City of murdering Bishop Juan Gerardi in 1998. Gerardi was killed because he had helped to write a report on the atrocities committed by Guatemala’s “D-2″, the military intelligence agency run by Lima Estrada with the help of two other SOA graduates. D-2 coordinated the “anti-insurgency” campaign which obliterated 448 Mayan Indian villages, and murdered tens of thousands of their people. Forty per cent of the cabinet ministers who served the genocidal regimes of Lucas Garcia, Rios Montt, and Mejia Victores studied at SOA.

In 1993, the United Nations Truth Commission on El Salvador named the army officers who had committed the worst atrocities of the civil war. Two-thirds of them had been trained at the School of the Americas. Among them were Roberto D’Aubuisson, the leader of El Salvador’s death squads; the men who killed Archbishop Oscar Romero; and 19 of the 26 soldiers who murdered the Jesuit priests in 1989. In Chile, the school’s graduates ran both Augusto Pinochet’s secret police and his three principal concentration camps. One of them helped to murder Orlando Letelier and Ronni Moffit in Washington DC in 1976.

Argentina’s dictators Roberto Viola and Leopoldo Galtieri, Panama’s Manuel Noriega and Omar Torrijos, Peru’s Juan Velasco Alvarado and Ecuador’s Guillermo Rodriguez all benefitted from the school’s instruction. So did the leader of the Grupo Colina death squad in Fujimori’s Peru; four of the five officers who ran the infamous Battalion 3-16 in Honduras (which controlled the death squads there in the 1980s) and the commander responsible for the 1994 Ocosingo massacre in Mexico.

All this, the school’s defenders insist, is ancient history. But SOA’s graduates are also involved in the dirty war now being waged, with US support, in Colombia. In 1999 the US State Department’s report on human rights named two SOA graduates as the murderers of the peace commissioner Alex Lopera. Last year, Human Rights Watch revealed that seven ex-pupils are running paramilitary groups there and have commissioned kidnappings, disappearances, murders and massacres. In February this year a SOA graduate in Colombia was convicted of complicity in the torture and killing of 30 peasants by paramilitaries. The school is now drawing more of its graduates from Colombia than from any other country.

The FBI defines terrorism as “violent acts …intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, influence the policy of a government, or affect the conduct of a government”, which is a precise description of the activities of SOA’s graduates But how can we be sure that their alma mater has had any part in this? Well, in 1996, the US government was forced to release seven of the school’s training manuals. Among other top tips for terrorists, they recommended blackmail, torture, execution and the arrest of witnesses’ relatives.

Last year, partly as a result of the campaign run by SOA Watch, several US congressmen tried to shut the school down. They were defeated by 10 votes. Instead, the House of Representatives voted to close it then immediately reopen it under a different name. So, just as Windscale turned into Sellafield in the hope of parrying public memory, the School of the Americas washed its hands of the past by renaming itself WHISC. As the school’s Colonel Mark Morgan informed the Department of Defense just before the vote in Congress, “Some of your bosses have told us that they can’t support anything with the name ‘School of the Americas’ on it. Our proposal addresses this concern. It changes the name.” Paul Coverdell, the Georgia senator who had fought to save the school, told the papers that the changes were “basically cosmetic.”

But visit WHISC’s website and you’ll see that the School of the Americas has been all but excised from the record. Even the page marked “History” fails to mention it. WHISC’s courses, it tells us, “cover a broad spectrum of relevant areas, such as operational planning for peace operations; disaster relief; civil-military operations; tactical planning and execution of counter drug operations.” Several pages describe its human rights initiatives. But, though they account for almost the entire training programme, combat and commando techniques, counter-insurgency and interrogation aren’t mentioned. Nor is the fact that WHISC’s “peace” and “human rights” options were also offered by SOA in the hope of appeasing Congress and preserving its budget: but hardly any of the students chose to take them.

We can’t expect this terrorist training camp to reform itself: after all it refuses even to acknowledge that it has a past, let alone to learn from it. So, given that the evidence linking the school to continuing atrocities in Latin America is rather stronger than the evidence linking the Al-Qaeda training camps to the attack on New York, what should we do about the “evil-doers” in Fort Benning, Georgia?

Well, we could urge our governments to apply full diplomatic pressure, and to seek the extradition of the school’s commanders for trial on charges of complicity in crimes against humanity. Alternatively, we could demand that our governments attack the United States, bombing its military installations, cities and airports in the hope of overthrowing its unelected government and replacing it with a new administration overseen by the UN. In case this proposal proves unpopular with the American people, we could win their hearts and minds by dropping naan bread and dried curry in plastic bags stamped with the Afghan flag.

You object that this prescription is ridiculous, and I agree. But, try as I might, I cannot see the moral difference between this course of action and the war now being waged in Afghanistan.

http://www.monbiot.com/2001/10/30/americas-terrorist-training-camp/

You added this same post to another thread, the subject of which is the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teenagers by Hamas. (Muslim terrorism?)

No one in that thread has asserted that all Muslims are terrorists and the one comment that comes close (All Palestinians are vermin) was rebutted by non-Muslim members. I noticed though that you had nothing to write about the deaths of the Israeli youths. You provided photos of dead Palestinian children which you contended were killed by Israeli bombing attacks(a credible claim), but in light of the following comment from your post, I'm now wondering if you believe the murder of the Israeli teens was justified:



Who started WWI? That's a question we would all like to have answered. A major participant in that war was the Ottoman Empire, and not because it was forced to by the aggressive military threats of "Christian" European nations. Large numbers of Ottoman soldiers and civilians died during WWI, but a significant number of the civilians were killed by the Muslim ruled Empire itself. During and after WWI, at least 1 million Christian Armenians were killed by the Ottomans and the empire's successor state Turkey, during what has come to be known as the Armenian Genocide. During roughly the same period, the Ottomans also engaged in lesser known projects referred to as the Assyrian Genocide and the Greek or Pontic Genocide - - those slaughtered or starved were not Muslims.

Who started WWII? I doubt you'll get the same answer to this question from everyone in this forum, but we all will probably agree that it wasn't Muslims. However, the Palestinian Arabs were great supporters of Nazi Germany and its plans for a Jewish genocide, and Adolph Hitler was quite popular throughout the Arab world.

In contrast, thousands of Muslim Indians died alongside British troops fighting the Germans, and 4-5 million civilians in the Dutch East Indies (now modern Indonesia and the nation with the world's largest population of Muslims) were killed or died of disease or famine during the Japanese occupation of the islands. Interestingly we don't have to wonder if Muslim "retaliation" and showing the Japanese how they treated them can be considered "terrorism," because it never happened. Whether or not this is because those killed by the Japanese were not Arab Muslims, is not something I can say.

Of course we can go down your list and ask about the number of pagans killed in the spread of Islam, the number of people (including fellow Muslims) killed in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Iran Jordan, by Muslims. The number of Hindus killed by Muslims in India and Kashmir, the number of Coptic Christians killed by Muslim Egyptians, the number of Spanish Jews and Christians killed by the Moors, the history of slavery in the Islamic world, genocide in Darfur, the number of casualties of Islamist terrorism in Nigeria and Kenya etc etc etc, but to what purpose?

The history of mankind is a history of violence, and no one region or nation, one people, one ideology or one religion has a monopoly on it, or its own exclusive history of non-violence.

This statement "When Muslims retaliate and show you how you treat us..." is a clear indication that you are not making an appeal to peace or reconciliation, you are just pissed off that the rest of the world calls acts of terrorism what they are...terrorism, and that as a result of these acts, some people in the West, but nowhere near all, believe all Muslims are terrorists. You know what? Tough ****. Part of the problem is that the Arab culture (not Muslim culture) is mired in its own Dark Age and has a skin that is about as thin as a houri's veil. You gnaw upon and worry perceived insults and grudges like a dog on a soup bone.

Whether you are a Palestinian yourself or simply a Muslim who sympathizes with them, you and they would be better off trying to emulate the strategy and tactics of Mahatma Gandhi , the Estonian Singing Revolution, the Egyptian Revolution of 1919, Tutu, Biko and Mandela of South Africa, The Ukrainian Orange Revolution or Martin Luther King of the US; then trying to justify terrorism by listing the sins of the West. However if you are wed to the strategy and tactics of violent terrorism, spare us the sanctimony and the childish insult.

LOL, i think your parents did not tell you that how to treat with youngers, i'm just 21 years but you are an old man. But you have learnt nothing in your life, you have wasted all your life. I say again, you should visit church and should live there untill your breathing stop.

It has nothing to do with age when you post on a public forum. If you think you're old enough to participate on an adult forum, be ready to be challenged like an adult. You poor kid! Your mother failed you miserably by not teaching you about living as an adult. Were you hurt?

LOL, i never hurt. Because i know i am talking with an old man who is mentally ill, fighting with a student. Its your not age to argue stupidily. You should to be a mature decent person, but unfortunately your body looking like an old man, but your mind could not grow with age, you are talking like a 5 year old baby. Hahahaha poor old man.
You should become a role model for youngers, but became an ideot. Silly old man

Okay, prove your claim, .

Your ad homs are juvenile at best; grow up! Your unmitigated response proves you were hurt.

You couldn't have said that with a straight face, CI. You musta been rolling on the floor laughing. What rank hypocrisy!!

Hahahaha i was just joking with you, i really enjoyed to make fun with you. I saw our conversation to my friends, they laughed alot. Thank you to make me happy with very nice conversation. If you ever hurt, then i say you sorry with my heart. Thanx sir for giving me pleasure.

Good, the jokes on you!

Hahahaha dear sir, now don't angry me. Did you enjoy to talk with me? You are really a respected person for me.

I don't angry against imbeciles like you. There are too many on this planet.