Is Pi (3.1415926....) a Lie?

it follows that π/4 is irrational and therefore that π is irrational.

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it follows that π/4 is irrational and therefore that π is irrational.

Okay Con thanks, I had suspected something such. Now however I wonder whether the present system is capable of determining, eg, when (or even if) 20 successive zeroes

There will never be a never ending string of zeroes.

The truly irrational thing...

...is to argue with this guy.

There is nothing to be gained.

At some point...everyone has got to stop feeding.

I was wondering whether it's feasible to calculate how many digits precede the first occurrence of, eg, 20 zeroes

….100 zeroes, etc

. . . At some point...everyone has got to stop feeding.

Frank Apisa wrote:

. . . At some point...everyone has got to stop feeding.

Oh, I dunno, Frank.
I've read things from Quetzalcoatl(sp?) I might never have read otherwise.

My immediate answer is no, by definition, because pi is not only irrational but trancendental (these numbers are inherently random).

intuition (mine anyhow) insists that given absolute randomness there must in fact be an infinite number of such strings of zero,of varying length.

The ratio of the perimeter of any polygon to its diameter (that is, the largest distance between any pair of vertices) is (obviously) a rational number (because there are a finite number of edges).

Frank Apisa wrote:

The truly irrational thing...

...is to argue with this guy.

There is nothing to be gained.

At some point...everyone has got to stop feeding.

The only thing in the way is the pride and arrogance of mathematicians who cannot conceive of such a notion that Pi could be anything else than what their books have instructed them to believe.

Before I introduce the main geometric proof, called The Fairywand Method, I have to introduce another infinitely non-ending irrational number, another seemingly scary square root entity by the name of "The Square Root of 5” (fig 11) absolutely critical to understanding the True Value of Pi and the basis of the upcoming Fairywand Method. Root 5 is part of the anointed Phi Formula (as shown in Fig 10). Root 5 (= 2.236…) is merely the diagonal of a rectangle having proportions 1x2. It is better to visualize this is a Double Square or Double Unit Cube.


The ancients referred to Phi as a Precious Jewel:
"Geometry has two great treasures: one is the Theorem of Pythagoras, and the other the Division of a Line into Extreme and Mean Ratio (the Divine Phi Proportion); the first we may compare to a measure of gold, the second we may name a precious jewel."
Johannes Kepler (1571–1630).

Without Pythagoras’ Theorem (the fact that 32 + 42 = 52), we could not derive the Phi Value of 1.618…
To know the length of the diagonal of the Double Square (Fig 11) we need to know the length of the two other sides, which are 1 unit and 2 units, and they must be in a 90 degree relationship. Calculating, 12 + 22 = we arrive at Root 5 (or √5 = 2.236…) for the diagonal.
This value of Root 5 is the essential part of the Phi Formula (Fig 10) and therefore for the True Value of Pi.

Fractal Mathematics and Nano-Technology shows that there is always an Area Under The Curve, so no matter how many times we subdivide the circle into smaller and smaller polygons, we only ever reach the limit of the circle. So yes, we can give a green tick to the "Limit of the Circle" as equalling the traditional value of Pi as 3.141592... but this does not account for the infinitesmal area under the curve that just does not disappear, forcing us to conclude that the true value of Pi must be a fraction more that what we thought it was, a microscopic more than we anticipated. This is why NASA are using a secret value of Pi that is a fraction more than the traditional value of pi.
It is encoded in the mathematics of the Cheops Pyramid.

Jain Of Oz's book on the True Value of Pi shakes the whole foundation of Western Mathematics. In fact, all the Mathematics books have to be rewritten, even related areas like that of radian measure and Euler's Identity. What will happen now is that the top Mathematicians from the West will be invited to meet the top Mathematicians from the East.An International Conference or Forum is brewing, to determine the final and eternal Truth of Pi that the Ancients knew.
It is in the mass consciousness that the eternal relationship of the Circle to its Diameter (which is really relevant to the Square) is 3 .1415...
The slice of Pi that we have been served is off and disharmonic.
Also, to the dismay of all the Circle-Squarers, we have been told incorrectly for thousands of years that You Can Not Equate the Square’s Circumference to the Circle’s Circumference, nor Equate the Area of a Circle to the Area of a Square, ie: The Mystical Squaring of the Circle. But now, believe that it can be done. Ignore all the bad press on Pi and Phi.