Just how evil is the USA?

Romeo Fabulini
Reply Fri 4 Jul, 2014 09:11 pm
CHARLIE COULDN'T SURF, and neither could the Abos, so they HAD to be zapped..Smile

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Reply Fri 4 Jul, 2014 10:58 pm
Reported Romeo for continued use of a derogatory/offensive/racist word.
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Romeo Fabulini
Reply Sat 5 Jul, 2014 12:13 am
Reported Vikorr for calling me a racist..Smile
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Reply Mon 7 Jul, 2014 10:27 am
Thomas Jefferson: America’s Founding Sociopath

By Robert Parry
Global Research, July 04, 2014

On July Fourth, the people of the United States extravagantly celebrate the high-blown expressions on human rights that Thomas Jefferson penned in the Declaration of Independence – especially the noble phrase “all men are created equal.” But Jefferson really didn’t believe that or much else that he said and wrote during his lifetime. He was, in reality, a skilled propagandist and a world-class hypocrite.

Yet, rather than subject Jefferson to a rigorous examination for his multiple hypocrisies, many Americans insist on protecting Jefferson’s reputation. From the Left, there is a desire to shield the lofty principles contained in the Declaration. From the Right, there is value in pretending that Jefferson’s revisionist concept of the Constitution – one favoring states’ rights over the federal government – was the “originalist” view of that founding document.

So, Jefferson – perhaps more than any figure in U.S. history – gets a pass for what he really was: a self-absorbed aristocrat who had one set of principles for himself and another for everybody else. Beyond the glaring contradiction between his “all men are created equal” pronouncement and his racist views on African-American slaves, he also lectured others about the need for frugality and the avoidance of debt while he lived a life of personal extravagance and was constantly in arrears to creditors.Jefferson also wrote provocatively that “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.” That is one of Jefferson’s famous quotes repeated endlessly these days by both the right-wing Tea Party and would-be leftist revolutionaries.

But Jefferson’s bravado was more a rhetorical flourish than a principle that he was ready to live or die by. In 1781, when he had a chance to put his own blood where his mouth was – when a Loyalist force led by the infamous traitor Benedict Arnold advanced on Richmond, Virginia, then-Gov. Jefferson fled for his life on the fastest horse he could find.

Jefferson hopped on the horse and fled again when a British cavalry force under Lt. Col. Banastre Tarleton approached Charlottesville and Monticello. Gov. Jefferson abandoned his neighbors in Charlottesville and left his slaves behind at Monticello to deal with the notoriously brutal Tarleton.

In other words, Jefferson may have been America’s original “chicken hawk,” talking cavalierly about other people’s blood as the “manure” of liberty but finding his own too precious to risk. Nevertheless, Jefferson later built his political career by questioning the revolutionary commitment of Alexander Hamilton and even George Washington, who repeatedly did risk their lives in fighting for American liberty.

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Reply Sun 13 Jul, 2014 01:42 pm
Evil evil evil.

How Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and Congressional Republicans, Worked Together to Create the Flood of Refugee Children Into the U.S
Posted on July 11, 2014 by Eric Zuesse.
Eric Zuesse

Frances Robles of The New York Times headlined on July 9th, “Fleeing Gangs, Children Head to U.S. Border” and reported:

More than half of the top 50 Central American cities from which children are leaving for the United States are in Honduras. Virtually none of the children have come from Nicaragua, a bordering country that has staggering poverty, but not a pervasive gang culture or a record-breaking murder rate. “Everyone has left,” Alan Castellanos, 27, the uncle of Anthony and Kenneth, said in an interview in late May. “How is it that an entire country is being brought to its knees?”

The answer to that question is remarkably clear, and it started actually in 2009.

In that year, a military coup, which was initiated by fewer than a dozen aristocratic or “oligarchic” families of Honduras, overthrew that country’s popular and democratically elected progressive President Manuel Zelaya. As the present reporter has previously documented in detail, the then-Secretary-of-State Hillary Clinton immediately after the coup blocked the efforts of virtually all other nations’ heads-of-state, they being opposed to the coup; and she also prevailed upon the then-dithering U.S. President Barack Obama to agree to provide crucially needed ongoing U.S. military and financial assistance to the coup-imposed government, for a long-enough period of time so that that government could finally become accepted internationally as the “legitimate government” of Honduras. This legitimation was done by means of the usual rigged “elections,” in which the post-coup “interim government” was replaced by a head-of-state whom the voters selected from a pre-screened field of candidates whose every member was approved by the controlling council of oligarchs — those very same ruling families who had overthrown Zelaya. The names of those families are included in my previous news-report, along with the details of how Clinton, Obama, and all congressional Republicans (then under the guidance of the head of the Heritage Foundation, the former U.S. Senator, Jim DeMint), propped up and sustained Honduras’s dictators in power.

As I reported there:

Fox “News” Latina bannered, on 7 October 2011, “Honduras Led World in Homicides in 2010,” and (since Rupert Murdoch’s Fox is a Republican front) pretended that this had happened because Latin America was violent — not because Fox’s Republican friends had had their way in policy on Honduras, and had thus caused the Honduran murder-rate to soar. (During the latest year, whereas homicides had declined in all of the other high-homicide nations, homicides had skyrocketed 22% in Honduras — and that’s why Honduras now led the world in homicides, but Fox “News” didn’t mention any of these facts.)

The NYT article goes on to note the close association between the high murder-rates and the influx of these children into the U.S.:

“Basically, the places these people are coming from are the places with the highest homicide rates,” said Manuel Orozco, a senior fellow at the Inter-American Dialogue, a Washington-based research group. “The parents see gang membership around the corner. Once your child is forced to join, the chances of being killed or going to prison is pretty high. Why wait until that happens?” … Children are killed for refusing to join gangs. … Many activists here suggest they are also murdered by police officers willing to clean up the streets by any means possible.

So, a soaring murder-rate (by both the gangs and the police) is a key legacy of the Clinton-Obama-DeMint lock-in of fascism in Honduras. This is part of the picture behind that flood of child-refugees, but only part. The rest has to do with the broader economic and social policies of the post-coup Honduran government, which simply despises the masses of poor, in this, the second-poorest country in the Western Hemisphere.



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Reply Sun 13 Jul, 2014 02:02 pm
Indeed, the American government has directly been supporting Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups for the last decade. See this, this, this, this and this.

Go to the following website and read the hotlinks for the above this's. Read all the hotlinks.

Reply Sun 13 Jul, 2014 04:09 pm

The article is misleading on an important matter - though I don't know why they would do such a thing.

It suggests that the US has been backing terror groups for the last decade, referencing Al Qaeda. The US unwittingly/stupidly helped form the foundation of what was later to become Al Qaeda during the Soviet / Afghani war in the 80's. If you follow the links...that's all you'll find - mid 80's, rather than 'the last decade'.

The U.S. did need extra powers to deal with Terrorism - the laws they had were woefully inadequate... But I think they've gone way over the top, and wouldn't want to live in that system.

Australia itself has 20 arrests for muslims planning terrorist attacks here...without the extent of laws they've passed.

That said - Australia is trying to pass laws to deal with the Islamic citizens who have gone to fight in Iraq and Syria. History of other similar (but foreign) persons has shown they come back radicalised, and try to bring down institutions, economies, and governments. At the moment, I think the Australian govt is just trying to find a way to stop them from re-entering Australia. Should they re-enter Australia, they (as a collective) will pose a real threat to the everyday citizens of Australia.
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Reply Mon 14 Jul, 2014 02:14 pm
What US has done to Iraq?

I Grew Up In Iraq During Saddam's Worst Days — Here's What Life Was Like

Wael Al-Sallami, Quora

Jul. 2, 2014

And that, my friend, is the most hypocritical move in modern history! Furthermore, the war didn't improve things much anyway; on the contrary, it worsened the whole situation. Instead of living safely in poor conditions, Iraqis became somewhat wealthy, but lost all measures of personal safety. Where once they just had one tyrant to be afraid of, now they have hundreds more! Even keeping their mouths shut, which used to keep them safe, didn't help anymore. People were dying for having the wrong religion, place of birth, or even the wrong name! The year 2006 was worse than 1991 and 2003 combined. Militias took over the streets, and it was chaos.

bobsal u1553115
Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2014 05:37 pm
Ya know, sometimes I think it was a big mistake to have brought down Sadam and the Baathists so completely. And now we are going to get involved with tribal and religious groups is Syria and Iraq when it might be better to quit arming them and let them sort it out among themselves. Obviously there's going to be at least two more countries - a Kurdistan at least. If an Israel, why not a Kurdistan and a Palestine.
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