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Van Newmann Machine = Self replicating constrctor

 
 
neil
 
Reply Thu 13 May, 2004 01:26 am
How big is a Van Neumann machine as you picture them? One cubic centimeter, one cubic meter or one cubic kilometer? Suppose we have an average of ten on ten small asteroids in the asteroid belt. In each case they they have stopped replicating as they have exhausted the asteroid of some essenutal material and all practical substitutes. They can make a mostly new replica occasionally by cannibalizing one of their clones that are beyond ecconomical repair. Perhaps they can wait patiently for a million years, before atrophy destroys the ability of the last one to replicate? How versatile are these machines? Can they calculate the future position of a few billion asteroids in the asteroid belt so they can develop the ability to accelerate at one g or more for a few hundred kilometers when another asteroid passes that close at about one century intervals? Can they survive the even rarer collision with another large enough asteroid, and ride off on two or more pieces of sufficient size to resume replicating? IF they are on the planet Mercury, can they climb out of that deep gravity well to get anywhere else, unless one can stowaway on a human probe that will return to Earth? Are they smart enough to figure out that the human probe will go somewhere other than drift in space until the stowaway dies of atrophy? Can they survive the large temperature drop if they go somewhere far from Mercury? Neil
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Reply Thu 13 May, 2004 03:19 pm
Some people think that self replicators will be built on the Nano Scale. This gave rise to the Grey Goo Scenario.

Grey goo has several cousins, differentiated by their colors and raisons d'ĂȘtre. Most of these are not as commonly referred to as grey goo, however, and the definitions are informal:

* Red Goo is goo unleashed intentionally by terrorists, a doomsday weapon, or a private individual who wishes to commit suicide with a bang.
* Khaki Goo is goo intended by the military to wipe out somebody else's continent, planet, etc.
* Golden Goo is the backfiring of a get-rich-quick scheme to assemble gold or other economically valuable substance. The details are left to the imagination.
* Blue Goo is goo deliberately released in order to stop some other type of grey goo. It might well be the only solution to such a disaster, and would hopefully be better controlled than the original goo.
* Pink Goo is humanity. It replicates relatively slowly, but will nevertheless fill any amount of space given enough time. Some people think that allowing the entire Galaxy to get filled with Pink Goo would be the ultimate crime, to be stopped at any cost.
* Green Goo is goo deliberately released, for example by ecoterrorists, in order to stop the spread of Pink Goo, either by sterilization or simply by digesting the pink goo. Some form of this, along with an antidote available to the selected few, has been suggested as a strategy for achieving zero population growth.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 13 May, 2004 03:35 pm
Re: Van Newmann Machine = Self replicating constrctor
neil wrote:
How big is a Van Neumann machine as you picture them?


Probably depends on what it is originally designed for.

neil wrote:
In each case they they have stopped replicating as they have exhausted the asteroid of some essenutal material and all practical substitutes. They can make a mostly new replica occasionally by cannibalizing one of their clones that are beyond ecconomical repair.


I usually picture self replicators as something with a purpose beyond simply self replicating. If they only want to replicate, then growth would be throttled by available resources, including some form of energy. If they are programmed to seek resources as well as replicate, then growth would be throttled by ability to seek. If ability to seek was very good, then growth would be throttled by functional lifespan and energy resources.

Machines fueled by solar power and the ability to suspend themselves when away from light could live a very long time, floating through the cold and dark of space, and reactivating when they happend to float near a star. Little tiny bursts of ions and brief moments of activation to scan the starscape could improve their chances of wandering into a new solar system with lots of light and lots of asteroids for raw materials.

neil wrote:
Perhaps they can wait patiently for a million years, before atrophy destroys the ability of the last one to replicate?


Perhaps they can. Easily.

neil wrote:
How versatile are these machines?


How versatile can we make them? How versatile do we want them to be?

neil wrote:
Can they calculate the future position of a few billion asteroids in the asteroid belt so they can develop the ability to accelerate at one g or more for a few hundred kilometers when another asteroid passes that close at about one century intervals?


Predictive calculation of this type may not be necessary if periodic scans and alterations in trajectory are made. Only in the last few years of travel, once inside a solar system rich in stray starlight might abrupt acceleration and deceleration changes be necessary. Also, propulsion systems might be augmented with some type of stored energy, chemical or atomic (as yet unknown to us).

neil wrote:
IF they are on the planet Mercury, can they climb out of that deep gravity well to get anywhere else, unless one can stowaway on a human probe that will return to Earth?


Maybe they never go to Mercury. Maybe when they aproach any gravity well, then never plan to leave it. Maybe they consume the source of the gravity and make more replicators, or if they are sophisticated enough, they make structures to assist them to find more raw materials.

Lots of *ifs* Smile Lots of fun
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