husker wrote:Our very close friends have a daughter graduation from GeorgeFox this weekend, she is a totally great young lady - smart, intelligent and drop dead beautiful.
she must have got the "drop dead beautiful" (which is, of course, so very, very, important!) from the college; she obviously would not get the "smart", or "intelligent" there!
and besides; isn't "Christian College" an 'oxymoron', anyway?!
I have come to believe all public and private education includes a form of indoctrination. Without suggesting that they are proof of the phenomenon, I use my two children as illustration:
They are fairly close together in age, shared friends and similar experiences growing up, and I feel we did as good a job as any parents can do in treating them as equals and providing them with equal opportunities.
Now adults, our son is a staunch rightwing conservative in his politics, religious beliefs, social attitudes, and economics; much more so than either my husband and I are.
Our daughter is a staunch leftwing liberal in her politics, religious beliefs, social attitudes, and economices, much more so than either my husband and I are.
What made the difference? The only thing I can figure out is the difference in their respective college experiences. Neither attended a Christian college.
(They are both good people, by the way, and we are very proud of them both.)
BoGoWo wrote:husker wrote:Our very close friends have a daughter graduation from GeorgeFox this weekend, she is a totally great young lady - smart, intelligent and drop dead beautiful.
she must have got the "drop dead beautiful" (which is, of course, so very, very, important!) from the college; she obviously would not get the "smart", or "intelligent" there!
and besides; isn't "Christian College" an 'oxymoron', anyway?!
why do you feel the need to be hurtful?
well, you know, the gist of it is, we all discriminate in some way. but, the test is, we don't have to take the indoctrination of our schools as the only viewpoint.
doglover, the christian woman at my job is far from lonely, she is married and has the comfort of the christian fold to keep her grounded. she just views we non-christians as going straight to hell. what facinates me about her, is that her boss is openly gay, and it is obvious that she doesn't have much respect for him.
bogo's comment, though tongue-in-cheek, has an element of truth to it. last week at the womans march in washington i saw a guy carrying a sign with a picture of george bush's face in the center with the words "christian my ass".
i mean, there are other colleges of faith other than christian, and they too abide by the principals of their faith. i have no objectons to this, however, there needs to be a philosophical element to teaching religion, where it encompasses the whole and is not merely dogma.
doglover, she's oblivious. i don't like the term "white trash" but it's the best way to describe someone with her value system.
husker wrote:BoGoWo wrote:husker wrote:Our very close friends have a daughter graduation from GeorgeFox this weekend, she is a totally great young lady - smart, intelligent and drop dead beautiful.
she must have got the "drop dead beautiful" (which is, of course, so very, very, important!) from the college; she obviously would not get the "smart", or "intelligent" there!
and besides; isn't "Christian College" an 'oxymoron', anyway?!
why do you feel the need to be hurtful?
Excellent question Husker; i retract the comments, and appologize!
doglover, Seems we have similarly christian-schooled relatives - most of my siblings and their children. They don't understand why I'm a atheist, but that's another story.
This kind of worries me about my youngest sister, who seems to be drawn to a Catholic college.
I'm afraid that she'll be 'programmed'.
Of course, she'll probably see what's going on and transfer to a more secular college--I may make sure of that!
I have to agree with CoastalRat on this one. Just because some one is a Christian and/or attends a Christian college or school does not mean they are racist, homophobic, paranoid, male chauvenist pig or white. Most Christian schools and churches have members from all races. Jeepers I even have attended one church where there is a very active couple and the husband is white and the wife black. Imagine that interracial marriages are accepted. I have also attended a Protestant Church in which they welcome homosexuals and even have had a homosexual minister fill in for the regular minister. Imagine that homosexual ministers. At this same church although they do not support abortions, they do stress that it is the women's choice. Now I agree that pro-choice is rare among Christians, there are some that do believe. I also do not see the problem with some one being a virgin especially if it is their choice. It is much better than the other extreme.
DL just because you know a whopping three people who attended these types of colleges does not mean that they are all like this. Also as far as being a homemaker, what is wrong with that? There are plenty of young women and some men who have attended non-Christian colleges and are now homemakers. There is nothing wrong with that. I would be curious as to where they attended. Could it be more a local feeling among races? Seeing they are all from the same family, could this be a family value? Same could be for their opinion on alcohol and other stuff. Also DL there is a big difference between born again Christians and other Christian denominations. There are so many Christian denominations that it would be unfair and incorrect to lump them all together.
As far as separating students from the world can also be incorrect. We are looking at a Christian school for my daughter (elementary school). They actually state in their school information that their desire is not to separate them from "the world" or from non-Christians, but to instill values in them that they can use with others.
I attended a religion-based college in the 1970's. It was not fundamental, though. I can say positively that my college was not racist. Although most of the student body was caucasian, my dorm President and the President of the student body were both black.
I think you concerned relatives need not worry about your loved ones attending a Christian college. The curriculum may or may not be superior to a secular university, but I think the somewhat more 'civilized' campus culture at most Christian colleges does often enhance the process of education.
There's little danger that a more fundamentalist Christian college will turn a non-fundamentalist into a tent-revival preacher or that a Catholic university will have all their students rushing for the confessional. We were concerned that some of the universities affiliated with our denomination was turning out militant feminists and socialist-minded liberals in the extreme. In truth, the vast majority of the population of all kinds of Christian colleges seem to turn out to be perfectly normal.
I certainly do not agree with the head of household thing, and a husband's duty is this vs a wife's, but being a homemaker is not an easy job. It is not a waste of your education if either a father or mother decides to become a homemaker if both spouses agree. If were we to do that in my family, we would be in financial ruin. It is each family's decision what is best for them. If it works for them and they are both happy, what are we to judge? As long as they would not judge me for being a full time outside the house worker and mom, I have no issues with them - just not my lifestyle.
Funny about what you wrote, because when I was researching schools for my daughter, I found two possibilities. They were both associated with a Baptist Church, the one we ultimately chose was what I described to you as not wanting to shield the children from the world. The other was almost the opposite. I could not believe what I read. It stated about how the students were not allowed to talk about rock music, dancing was not allowed, and similar. My husband had suggested this school, but seeing I always look at every aspect, and research before making decisions, I thoroughly read all their school information. My response to my husband - she is NOT going to this school! He did not argue when I pointed out all the ridiculous things stated in the school literature. So even within same denominations of Christian Churches, there can be vast differences of opinions.
Foxfyre wrote:
There's little danger that a more fundamentalist Christian college will turn a non-fundamentalist into a tent-revival preacher.
Maybe not tent-revival preachers, but I wouldn't want to place any bets against
Patrick Henry College turning out narrowly focused political activists.
Remember that our current probable candidates for president, one decidedly right of center and one decidedly left of center, both graduated from Yale. Admittedly Yale probably allows slightly more room on either side of the chalk line than does Patrick Henry College.
The one to the right of center received his
righteousness long after his attendance at Yale, so let's not blame Yale for that problem.
Speaking of
Patrick Henry College, what do you think of their emphasis on preparing their graduates to enter government service? Maybe it is just me, but I do not think that group has much respect for the seperation of church and state.
I would have to see their curriculum to make an intelligent decision about that I think. I have no problem with Christians entering government as I think they should. The only problem with separation of Church and State would be any attempt to make it manadatory that one must be Christian to be elected or appointed to office.
