What is YOUR beef with People Puffing on E-Cigarettes?

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1) that they are puffing

2) that they are taking in nicotine

3) that they are wusses

4) none

5) other

Gotta go with 3

What say you?

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[+3] - roger - 03/05/2014It [i]looks[/i] like smoking. What more excuse could anyone ask for if they get off telling other people what they can't do.

@hawkeye10,

It looks like smoking. What more excuse could anyone ask for if they get off telling other people what they can't do.

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@roger,

gotta figure that the push to criminalize them, backed by pretty much no rational argument at all, will not end well. At some point idiotic government control of our lives sours us on the entire concept of letting government control our lives.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

1) that they are puffing
2) that they are taking in nicotine
3) that they are wusses
4) none
5) other

Gotta go with 3

What say you?

Wow. You really are a tool for major corporations. And that makes you a socialist? How again?

Who says I have a beef with people puffing e-cigs? I am however mildly pissed at NYC for trying to put a clamp down on them. My manager uses them. If it helps her quit smoking cigarettes the better.

If it helps a lot of people quit smoking then that would be great. A win/win. Less smokers and no second hand smoke. That's a great thing.

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@tsarstepan,

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If it helps a lot of people quit smoking then that would be great. A win/win. Less smokers and no second hand smoke. That's a great thing.

so I take it you dont buy the apparently unsupported by any evidence assertion that E-Cigs are a gateway drug to real cigs?

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@hawkeye10,

E-cigs are just as regulated sale wise as real cigs. Well at least in NYC. It still contains the regulated drug of nicotine. Elsewhere? I can't say.

Can't say that I've heard any one assert that statement. Care to source it (and please don't drop any links to nobody blogs.

So far, no teenager is going to look at an E-cig and say, "Wow! That makes me even look cooler then when I smoke a cigarette!" So your implied assertion that teens will start smoking more expensive e-cigs before they start smoking cheaper real cigarettes is kind of nonsensical.

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@tsarstepan,

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A front-page story in yesterday’s New York Times notes the divide within the anti-smoking movement on the merits of electronic cigarettes, as exemplified by the split between Boston University public health professor Michael Siegel and his former mentor, Stanton Glantz, director of the University of California at San Francisco’s Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education. The Siegel camp sees e-cigarettes, which deliver nicotine without tobacco or smoke, as a promising harm reduction tool, while the Glantz camp sees them as a public health menace. Because health reporter Sabrina Tavernise accurately summarizes the arguments of both sides, it is hard to see how a fair-minded reader could end up agreeing with Glantz.

Here are the two main arguments against e-cigarettes:

E-cigarettes will lure teenagers into smoking. Since avoiding that smelly, dirty, and dangerous habit is the main motivation for vaping, this fear seems implausible. Furthermore, there is no evidence that e-cigarettes are serving as a gateway to the conventional kind. In fact, the recent increase in vaping among teenagers has been accompanied by a continued decline in smoking.

Vaping will discourage smokers from quitting by giving them a way to get their nicotine fix when they can’t light up. Again, there is no evidence that is actually happening, and the same objection could be raised against nicotine gum, lozenges, or patches.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2014/02/24/more-vaping-more-smoking-the-implausible-case-against-e-cigarettes/

Jacob Sullum is a senior editor at Reason magazine and a nationally syndicated columnist. I am the author of Saying Yes: In Defense of Drug Use (Tarcher/Penguin) and For Your Own Good: The Anti-Smoking Crusade and the Tyranny of Public Health (Free Press). My work on drug policy and civil liberties has appeared in Cigar Aficionado, Seed, National Review, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, the San Francisco Chronicle, and many other publications.

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Los Angles just banned them from most public places.

My mom smoked for 50 years and switched to an ecig and it has made a real difference in her health. She got the ecig and never smoked another real cigarette again. You can put me down in the "in favor" column.

The only beefs I've heard against them are

1. "Think of the children" arguments. Kids seeing smoking of any kind will make kids smoke.

2. They're cutting in to states gazillion dollar tax base from real cigarettes.

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@boomerang,

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2. They're cutting in to states gazillion dollar tax base from real cigarettes.

Oh yeah, there is that.

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Juul to pay $438.5 million to states over marketing to underage people
(cnn)

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