Hey - we appeared on another discussion about this phenomenon!!!!
Or farmerman did!
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Think Tank - The Fires of Canneto di Caronia
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This page was started on 9 April 2004 and contains excerpts from e-mails from other researchers and parties interested in the fires of Canneto di Caronia. Entries (some of which occurred prior to 9 April) are presented in chronological order.
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12 March 2004 - Nicholas Hawkins - Caronia events
I went there last week, but did not find anything significant or manage to see the hit points. Will probably go again in 10 days, better briefed. Let me know anything you want me to look for, but I am physically past rock climbing; and there is not much but rock in Sicily
There are two Caronia's [Cannetos?]
- the village on the top of the "cliffs" (in fact, steeply rising rock, not vertical)
- the very small village, mostly one street wide, on the beach.
(this is on a shelf in the rock made by centuries or erosion, about 1 meter above
the sea. Note that the Mediterranean is non-tidal)
Some fishing boats on sand, mostly pleasure boats
The electric railway runs at the bottom of the rock, and there are no houses south of it until you get up into the hills. Wired for 100 kvac, probably runs at less.
Coast is erosional
On most of the coast there is no space for a road or railway. The highway and the railroad go along a shelf cut in the rock, or in tunnels or even on pillars built in the sea.
I have two queries you might be able to help with -
1. Is there anyone you know who could tell me how to get samples of the air for mass spectroscopy?
2. What is the Italian name of the Italian Electro-technical Institute?
(Home in Milan of GianFranco Allegra)
12 March 2004 - Robert Fritzius to Nicholas Hawkins - Re: Caronia events
I'd like to know if Canneto di Caronia is (or is not) in the middle of an old volcano (flank eruptive center?). The seaside of the thing would be open. There's a semi-circular road that encircles the village (average diameter of its path is about five nautical miles). Looks like it could be a rim road.
I have attached a section of a topo map of Messina province on which I have colored the Canneto encircling road in red.
What kind of structure is the cliff? It would be great to get some photos of it. A really good topo map of the Canneto area would be helpful. Center of town plus minus ten miles.
Will put out some feelers on the air sampling. I'd bet some of the investigative teams who have been there have been doing that.
13 March 2004 - Robert Fritzius to Nicholas Hawkins - Re: Caronia events
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15 March 2004 - Robert Fritzius to Nicholas Hawkins - Re: Caronia events
As a follow on to our earlier discussion, and some more web research I made some additions to the web page. I created a schematic cross section thru the sea level village (where the fires were reported), extending up the steep hill (or whatever it is.)
Based on an aerial photo (if its really of our "village") I'd guess that the hairpin road, just south of the new highway, is the access road to the village on top of the steep hill. The red line on the photo corresponds to the cross section.
If you don't mind, I put a note to the Sicilians, to give you a hand when you get back there. Stranger things might happen. If "telegraphing" your arrival is problematic I'll remove the appropriate parts.
"The Canefield of Caronia") is the one near the query volcano.
"Canefield" is "Canneto" in Italian.
I'd like to know a lot more about that "query volcano." How big is it? What is the distance to its center from the seaside village? and on and on.
The Sto Stefano di Camastra should be about two miles east of Canneto di Caronia.
15 March 2004 - Nicholas Hawkins - Re: Caronia events
The hills [along the coast] are very chaotic so it is difficult to generalize about the gradients; but the mean gradient on the slopes from Caronia Marina [up] to Caronia [the main center of population] is less than 45 degrees. The road zig-zags up it. At Caronia Marina, there is no flat ground more than 10 meters back from the railway. A line from the railway to the hilltop would give about the gradient I estimated from Caronia Marina.
16 March 2004 - Robert Fritzius to Nicholas Hawkins - Re: Caronia events
At St. Stephano there is a museum. In the museum there is a painting or some kind of artwork that shows some (fierce?)* warriors sinking into the ground. To me that is suggestive them being victims of earthquake liquefaction. You might check on earthquake lore in the area.
*The phrase may have been "five warriors".
There are two fault lines which criss cross at Mt. Etna. One fault line is oriented SSW-NNE and the other is oriented SE-NW approximately. Best I can tell this latter fault line intersects the north coast of Sicily in the region of Canneto.
One of the pages that are linked to from the article: A Canneto di Caronia (ME)
http://www.guidasicilia.it/ita/main/news/index.jsp?IDNews=10413
is accompanied by a map of Sicily that shows seismic hot spots. There is a hot spot apparently in the north coast area a little west of Caronia. Seems to be St. Stephens... and Palermo. The article says that an updated map (Italy including Sicily) is to be published on the 20th of March.
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22 March 2004 - Nicholas Hawkins - Caronia
Does anyone have a list of all the Caronia incidents?
6 April 2004 - Noname Noway - re: spontaneous fires
Greetings, it appears, both logically and from similar observations, that the fires are caused by induced electric currents. I think it would be simple enough to put a few coils in town and monitor them for fluctuations (couple them to a packet radio for remote monitoring, magnetically insulated, of course). I watched 2 telephone line transformers across the street from each other begin to glow and then catch fire through magnetic field fluctuations. There was a period of about 1 minute 30 seconds between thermal discharges and it went on all night.
Why these events are highly localized is also typical. Ground fields mount up until a transference or transduction can occur or they just move away or subside. Usually, it there are clouds around it may induce a lightning strike but the fields mount anyway, clouds or no. Magnetic field focusing may occur in an object having any field coil properties, as each item listed had, transducing the magnetic charge into heat and then fire. They could grid the town with ground stakes to trap the charge to safer spots but I doubt if they will ever get rid of them. It would be fun to map the geomagnetics of the town. I am sure you would find some very dense fields, fields much larger than you would suppose.
6 April 2004 - Robert Fritzius to Nicholas Hawkins - Methane detector
With the return of the inhabitants of Canneto the fires started up again.
If you have time before you leave you might consider trying to beg, borrow or steal a portable methane detector.
Here's a line to one page that offers something you could use.
http://www.bascomturner.com/bti_201.htm
More links later if I can find some.
I'd really l like to know the geological details of that steep hill and the part of it that is under the flaming village.
6 April 2004 - Craig Renner - The Fires of Canneto di Caronia
I find this subject fascinating and I cannot believe the mainstream press has only one article concerning this most important matter.
7 April 2004 - Noname Noway - re: spontaneous fires
Hello again, I understand some geophysicists are on the scene and have set up a monitoring system for magnetic flux and electromagnetic spectrum mapping. We should get a good view of the mag fields of the town. I am looking forward to seeing it. The monitors are both mobile and stationary and may even capture an event. They are using some expensive equipment which I think is overkill. I prefer to use cheap, cheap, cheap and give it to the locals to have fun with. Small science is better than boss science.
By the way, if the power cord to the lamp WAS plugged in it probably wouldn't have caught fire. The motors would have even if plugged in because the field coils are isolated from ground through the switch. I think it is magnetic flux rather than electromagnetic, these are not hot dogs left in the microwave oven too long. Also, the mapping should be carried out to sea to see if the village is just the tip of the 'iceberg'.
9 April 2004 - Robin van Spaandonk - Canneto di Caronia
Do you happen to know if anyone has thought to measure x-rays or gamma-rays? (Such radiation would among other things cause water to separate into hydrogen and oxygen resulting in fires in water pipes).
9 April 2004 - Jeroen Goulooze - "...in the fall of 2004"?
I think you made a slght error. You probably mean 2003 instead of 2004 because that would be in the future:)
17 Feb 2004 - Author's Notes The author speculates that the Etna volcanic ash episode took place in the fall of 2004.
http://www.ebicom.net/~rsf1/canneto2.htm
9 April 2004 - Robert Fritzius to Jeroen Goulooze
Thanks much!! Will fix.
9 April 2004 - Blake M. Wylie - Sicilian Fires
(I saw an AP story today about how they [the fires at Canneto di Caronia] are still going on:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=572&e=7&u=/nm/life_italy_fires_dc
Don't know if you've seen this before, but I used to live in Alabama, and something similar happened in a town there in the 50's. I found a story about it here:
http://www.prairieghosts.com/al_fire.html. It's a ghost site (paranormal), but it's the only place I could find it on the web.
[The article describes unexplained fires which repeatedly broke out inside dwellings when members of the same family were present. Well written.]
11 April 2004 - Kathy Parker - Canneto di Caronia--And Ley Lines
After reading another article about these fires I was wondering what about the idea of "Ley Lines". A friend of mine has told me about this type or energy tho I am not very familiar with this term. Just an idea. Very intriguing situation.
["Ley" is reported to be a Saxon word which means "meadow" or "cleared ground." (Cross-country cleared strips of land associated with buried pipe lines come to mind.) If some ley lines should turn out to be associated with earthquake fault lines then there might be a Canneto connection. Ionized gases being forced to the surface from a subterranean fault line might produce electrical and/or magnetic surface anomalies. Does any reader have knowledge of ley lines on Sicily? If so, do any of them pass through Canneto di Caronia? The earthquake fault line that extends NW from Mt. Etna, in the general direction of Caronia, might be a candidate. Here are two links to historical articles about ley lines.
http://www.acemake.com/PaulDevereux/leylines.html and
http://www.geocities.com/annafranklin2/ley.html]
Friday, 16 April 2004 - Copied from Able2Know.com Science & Mathematics - [Slightly edited.]
[Thread starts with a link to a Reuters story on msnbc news about the fires of Canneto,
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4669114/ supplied by dlowan, who asks, "Anyone got any explanations for this one?]
Farmerman writes: "I cannot discount satanic activity but, [in the absense of] any definitive evidence, I'll venture a guess, based on Acquiunks view. The eastern massifs of Sicily connect the underground of Mt. Etna by major NE-SW running shallow faults. East of these massifs are a series of carbonate reefs and Eocene [beds] that are gas and oil fields.
I'd venture another guess that sulfurous gases from the volcano are forming Carbon disulfide from methanogenesis (bug poop). Carbon disulfide, [when formed] naturally is not stinky, in fact it's rather sweet smelling. Since we use this stuff to make rayon and rubber, we add some more of the Thio (mercaptan) compounds that make it smell like H2S (rotten eggs). So, this self igniting real estate problem may be a forewarning of an eruption by overpressured gases being forced upward and collecting in houses. The people wouldn't notice it, in fact they'd like the smell and, since CS2 is heavier than air, it collects in traps and basements and is HIGHLY explosive.
Now I'm just pulling this from my [ ], having worked at the Trecate oil fields on mainland Italy. We often had sulfurous gases (sour gas, more H2S really) that needed scrubbing. And Etna is not a quiet eruptive volcano like in Hawaii. It builds up [a] head of steam, and then blows. I'm sure a bunch of geoscientists are over there checking this possibility very carefully. If they're not saying [what has been found], it's because they don't want to alarm anyone.
A few posts down Acquiunk [Connecticut, USA] says. " I ran into the guy in the geology department who's area [of expertise] is basalts and the chemical processes of volcanic eruptions, and brought this subject up. He also hypothesized sulfurous CO1. He also said the department has someone over there looking at this right now. I don't know what that means as he declined to be more specific, but it makes me wonder.
Then farmerman says, "Etna used to be a tholeitic(*) type volcano. Now its a more explosive kind, with high permeabilities in the pyroclastic material. I looked up some constants from geophysical measurements and the permeabilities ofthe pyroclastic materials are like up to 1000 m/day. That's good for gas migration.
(*) [Definition of tholeitic needed.]
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